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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
This is a victory for the war against terror:
"GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israeli helicopters fired missiles at Hamas leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin as he left a mosque near his house at daybreak Monday, residents said, and witnesses said he was killed. "
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...id=540&ncid=716 |
Giancarlo you are than idiot like Israel PM and most of cabinet members. First murdering than old blind man in a wheelchair by fireing than missile from than gunship is no great act of bravery. The day that Israel will disappear is comeing closer every day. God sent me than vision of Israel being destory for disokney International Laws which they have the habit of doing.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by Ned
Interesting digression.
However, not one word about the craveness of Britain and France for condemning this great event; and how spineless Bush has been for providing in effect "no comment."
Is there anyone in the world who knows right from wrong and who stands boldly on the side of the right?
The leaders of the world, other than Sharon, are really something.
BTW, did Kerry's people say anything on this? |
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Britain and France have more mortal bravely than you or most supporter of Israel have. First it is than murder of than old blindman in a wheelchair by than inmortal nation of Israel.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
The grand strategy, IIUC is to get out of Gaza, which will economize on military resources. It will also open up a new political dynamic in the territories, given that Mohammed Dahlan, who was in the Abu Mazen govt and defied arafat over control of PA security forces, is strong in Gaza.
There are two big problems with this strategy
1. Hamas is also strong on the ground in Gaza. Arafat may be so afraid of Dahlan he will ally with Hamas against Dahlan.
2. As with Lebanon in 1999, an Israeli strategic withdrawl will be spun as a victory for terror.
Killing Yassin certainly deals with 2, and in the apparent view of Israeli strategists deals with 1. By killing Yassin no one can claim that the withdrawl from Gaza is simply a retreat after defeat. And it weakens Hamas POLITICALLY on the ground in Gaza, during its death struggle with Dahlan. It also sends a not so subtle message to Arafat, should he decide to openly ally with Hamas. Weighing that, and Yassins real value as an inciter, versus some marginal impact on recruitment, it was decided this was a "go"
A counter argument would have to come from a detailed analysis of Gaza politics, not the usual handwringing. |
In other word Israel is getting they ass knick by the freedom fighter.
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The Mad Viking
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of the Great White North
Feb 2000
time: 05:34
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LotM - I agree with most of your posts on this thread. But if you look at what Ben-Gurion said about the half loaf, it went something like this.
"I don't like settling for half of Israel more than any of you. But we are being offered half of Israel now, and I recommend we accept, without renouncing our claim to historic Israel." I don't have my books with me, can't quote exactly...
The realpolitik is a conundrum.
Israel cannot maintain control of all of Gaza and the West Bank. Even with Jewish settelement, the Palestinian Arabs are an ever-increasing majority.
No Isreali government can survive abandoning the territories. There is the right wing hawk constituency, there is the religious extremist constituency, and of course, there is the economic reality of all the Jews who bought homes in the territory because they were cheap and within a half-hour commute of work.
Israel must abandon the territories, at least most of them. It cannot be a Jewish Democracy and keep them; and ultimately, Israel will choose to keep its Jewishness and its democratic traditions over its archeological boundaries. But the government that does so will commit political suicide. At least for the foreseeable future.
Last edited by The Mad Viking on 23-03-2004 at 23:45
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper
Hmm. Last I heard, China was busy cracking down on Muslim militants in Xinjiang Province (I think that's the correct name ... anyway, it's one of the most western provinces in China). So long as that continues, I don't forsee any possibility of an Arab-China allliance. Unless, of course, the good Muslim folks in said province become, well, expendable for the greater good.
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You are wrong China support the Arab totally and the new Calp will issue than ruleing which will say Alia doesnot want to rebel against China.
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Originally posted by Pax Africanus
After Assasinations is there a spike in protests and suicide bombings or do protests and suicide bombings decrease.
If they decrease then I can understand the rationalization for having the assasinations. |
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Israel has become more effective in preventing attacks. The
number of suicide bombings and the number of victims has dropped, with
142 Israelis killed in 22 bombings in 2003, compared to 214 killed in
53 bombings in 2002.
Analysts attributed the drop to Israel's partially built West Bank
barrier, its beefed up intelligence, a brief cease-fire in 2003 and
Hamas leaders' fears of assassination.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...el_palestinians
Indeed, given that Palestinian deaths decreased in half compared to the previous year, while the percentage of Palestinian terrorists to total deaths has increased, and Israeli deaths have also decrease in half, Israel must be doing something right.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by Oerdin
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3562185.stm
Hamas as appointed a new leader though I doubt he will be as strong or influential as their founder. Israel needs to keep killing the top terrorist leaders as quickly as possible in order to deplete their supply of experienced and capable leaders. That more then anything else will weaken Hamas's ability to organize and co-ordinate large scale terror attacks. |
Israel will be destory by God Wrath soom.
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