31-03-2004 21:59									#31
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I took the liberty to compare v1.15 and v1.20 change lists and here are the 1.20 only changes:


FIXES:

* Railroads will always appear under captured cities if you have Steam Power.
* PBEM Games can not be loaded in Single Player
* PBEM: v1.20 Games can not be loaded on earlier versions. Earlier saves can STILL be loaded in v1.20
* PBEM: Previous players Civ can no longer be seen when loading a PBEM game


CHANGES:

* Histograph keeps tracking defeated Civs
* Electronics requirement removed from Motorized Transportation
* Radio Tech removed
* Civil Defense requires Electronics
* Advanced Flight now requires Electronics
* Radar Towers require Advanced Flight
* MPTournament: Tiny & Small maps can be played with 8 players
* MPTournament: Map sets Oceans to 40%
* MPTournament: Map Trading moved back to Map Making
* MPTournament: Enkidu cost raised to 15
* MPTournament: Ancient Cavalry defense lowered from 2 to 1
* MPTournament: Captured cities retain culture
* MPTournament: Turn slices lowered from 24(base)/3(per-city)/1(per-unit) to 16/2/1
* MP: City goodie hut spawns are not possible in Elimination Mode


ADDITIONS:

* Implemented Allow Scientific Leaders Rule

	31-03-2004 22:19									#32
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tentatively

If this is the final c3c patch, then....

	31-03-2004 22:34									#33
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Edit: nevermid...

Last edited by alexman on 01-04-2004 at 00:50

	31-03-2004 22:36									#34
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel tentatively If this is the final c3c patch, then....

I agree. I wont repeat my thoughts, because I'm lazy. They are here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...056#post2806056

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...937#post2814937

	31-03-2004 23:07									#35
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It does not say anything about beta so it must be the offical one.
I see it was dated Jan 24.

	31-03-2004 23:08									#36
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quote: Originally posted by alexman It seems you have to delete the Conquests\Art\Advisors\science_industrial.pcx file to get the tech tree to show properly (which is in science_industrial_new.pcx).

I just started the middle ages scneario and note that the graphics are off there as well, arrows going in wrong directions, etc. does your fix cover all 3rd era tech trees (what I mean is, are they all in the same .pcx?)

	31-03-2004 23:20									#37
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You have to rename science_industrial.pcx to science_industrial_new.pcx in all scenarios for it to work properly.



I suspect we will see a new executable (1.21) rather soon!

	31-03-2004 23:32									#38
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well, I hope they can put out a fix soon....even if I can fix it, some won't want to muck around with it.

after closer examination, the arrows in the middle ages seem to be the same arrows as in the old epic game.

	01-04-2004 08:57									#39
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I'm not normally one to criticise Firaxis for the work they do and like others, I appreciate Jessie's continued loyalty to the fanbase by pushing out fixes and addons to Civ3 when the money is obviously in Civ4.

However, I must say that a bug so obvious as screwed-up tech tree graphics just.....leaves me flabbergasted! (Edit: I had something nastier there at first, but I really don't have it in me!)

	01-04-2004 09:35									#40
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I'm normally a pretty strong supporter as well....

.....
....
I really don't know what to say. There are QA errors on a pretty fundamental level here. The MP community *cannot reload a saved game.*

Ever.

::staggers and stares in disbelief::

.....wow.

	01-04-2004 09:43									#41
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I think there is a 'perception' problem here. Notice, if you feed the bugs, get a large can of paint and repaint them 'features', take your broom out and shuffle them across the room. Wahla, you have a feature rich program full of fun and favor.

	01-04-2004 09:45									#42
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Trust me, you have already... you're on version 375ds8eo8.89e9x1. Thanks!

	01-04-2004 09:58									#43
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I don't play MP, generally don't play scenarios or mods, and just finished a game so I don't have the need to reload saves from earlier versions.

What's the verdict from those who have installed 1.20 -- should I stick with 1.15b or install 1.20 now that I've downloaded the monster?

Catt

	01-04-2004 10:02									#44
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Please refer to http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=111919

Taking special note of Antrine's comment as useless as they may be!

	01-04-2004 15:06									#45
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I was beginning to think at least the PBEM community had received gratification, but I just noticed this:

quote: CIVILIZATION III: CONQUESTS V1.20 DOES NOT SUPPORT SAVE GAMES FROM PRE-V1.20 VERSIONS.

Back to the old dual install routine... :-(

	01-04-2004 15:12									#46
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Rommel, a PBEM-specific line states it is possible to load pre-1.20 PBEM saves...:

quote: * PBEM: v1.20 Games can not be loaded on earlier versions. Earlier saves can STILL be loaded in v1.20

	01-04-2004 15:19									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Thriller However, I must say that a bug so obvious as screwed-up tech tree graphics just.....leaves me flabbergasted! (Edit: I had something nastier there at first, but I really don't have it in me!)

And this time, alas, I am not even surprised.

	01-04-2004 16:43									#48
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Things I see wrong with the patch.

First, MPTournament.biq refers to 1.18 patch.
Also it still has a Radio tech implemented.
This is also true for all other BIQ files added with Conquests.
Like Cheaper Upgrades.biq, MPFastCiv3Conquests.biq, No Civ Traits.biq, No Unique Units.biq, Quick Civ.biq, With Plague.biq, etc... They all need to be changed to reflect the newest rules.

Second, even conquests.biq is not done properly.
It still has Radio tech in its list, but as non-era tech which is added to all civs at start.
Should be deleted, since it gives some bugs, like starting game with Radio or Radio in Civilopedia.

Third, Civilopeida.txt isn't changed to reflect that Radio tech is removed. Which means that "Enables Radar Towers" entry needs to be moved from Radio to Electronics.

Fourth, as alexman reported, it looks that Civ3Conquests.exe looks for science_industrial_new.pcx for industrial era, which gives error in all scenarios. It should look to science_industrial.pcx instead, and science_industrial_new.pcx needs to replace science_industrial.pcx

Fifth: How this passed Q&A???


I fully expect 1.21 to be released ASAP to fix these issuses.



Optional: When we are there, maybe some other easy things could be fixed.
-Like adding WWII Paratrooper in list of units with ZOC in Civilopedia
-removing offense AI flag from Musketeer (PtW leftover, when it had attack of 3)
-fixing bug with Inca leader being targetable by Stl. Fighter stealth attack (this maybe is not bug since stealth attack doesn't work for air units anyway)
-and if any conquests.biq changes are done, then adding them to other optional BIQs should be done too

	01-04-2004 17:39									#49
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quote: Originally posted by player1 Fifth: How this passed Q&A???

I can only imagine someone in QA lost their job this morning.... or if they didn't and all Firaxians found this patch acceptable, that in six or eight months, they'll all be out of a job.

This isn't just a bad patch, this is monumentally, staggeringly bad, bad on a basic, fundamental level. There's stuff here that simply LOADING THE GAME WITH THE PATCH INSTALLED would've caught. How lazy do you have to be not to notice that?

(And that's coming from a guy who normally waves the Firaxis flag as defiantly as anyone.)

	01-04-2004 23:48									#50
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A bad official patch on the base of a good beta one? Something must have happened in Atari's QA...