01-04-2004 05:54									#1
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This is a branch-off of the politics poll.

So what will rule?

Cybernetic ultraefficiency and governence

Eudaimonic utopia of peace and coexistence

Thought Control state of dicipline and homogenization

Just remember to think of which one will permeate the future of society (either our or centauri's), rather than their pure bonus' and penalties.

	01-04-2004 06:02									#2
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Thought Control. With the constant attacks on society by Planet's lifeforms, i don't think Eudaimonia has a chance.

Thought Control, with Cybernetic a VERY close second for me.

	01-04-2004 06:02									#3
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Thought Control obviously.
I mean, whats better than hooking everyone up to a computer to force them to think your the greatest? Actually making them want to think your the greatest

	01-04-2004 06:12									#4
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Yeah but once everyone thinks like u (after u kill everyone else), there is no incentive to maintain that amount of control, is there? I mean, once society is totaly wrapped around your finger, you could put it to more productive use (probably through eudaimonia), right?

	01-04-2004 06:15									#5
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More productive use? That's supposed to be Cybernetic. Efficiency ratings go way up.

	01-04-2004 06:18									#6
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I think in terms of industry and economy when i mean productivity

	01-04-2004 11:52									#7
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I am a big fan of eudaimonia, although I think a properly implemented cybernetic society would be pretty eudaimonic anyway.

Honestly, I find the Future Society models to be a bit "eh"; I also think that Eudaimonia is hard done by and that there should be some kind of SP that negates the Eudaimonic SE effect penalties, since there is one for Cybernetic and Thought-Control.

	01-04-2004 17:08									#8
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Cybernetic I see as the most likely.

	01-04-2004 23:52									#9
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I would have to say eudaimonia. Look at the drones faction. They are the only faction that rioting bases can revolt too. I'm going to put up the same arguement I put up for Fundalmentalist and Democracy. People will fight to the death to defend their freedom and their happiness. No one is going to fight to defend a bunch of robots in Cybernetic, and as for thought control, I see them as a bunch of suicidal squirrels. The people don't want to fight, but the government forces them to. It brainwashes them, creating almost the same affect as Fundalmentalist. People in thought control are lead under fascism. They think they are fighting for something good. I dunno, maybe thought control will win, but I personally like eudaimonia better.

	02-04-2004 00:16									#10
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But thought Control is going to win! People obviously wouldn't fight to revolt if they thought their faction was a paradise and the other factions werent.

	02-04-2004 01:29									#11
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CYBERNETIC SOCIETY IT IS. IN CYBERNETIC SOCIETY EVERYTHING PERFECT.EXE.

	02-04-2004 02:30									#12
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And William of the Gates reigns supreme!

	02-04-2004 06:18									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar But thought Control is going to win! People obviously wouldn't fight to revolt if they thought their faction was a paradise and the other factions werent.

Good point. It's the whole reason Fascism works.

	02-04-2004 06:19									#14
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quote: Originally posted by obstructor CYBERNETIC SOCIETY IT IS. IN CYBERNETIC SOCIETY EVERYTHING PERFECT.EXE.

Humans are not perfect, and therefore, anything created by them is not perfect, even robots. What a shame.

	02-04-2004 09:36									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Quezacotl06 Yeah but once everyone thinks like u (after u kill everyone else), there is no incentive to maintain that amount of control, is there? I mean, once society is totaly wrapped around your finger, you could put it to more productive use (probably through eudaimonia), right?

There's always incentive. The newest generation of Citizens will be in need of edcuation and beat-downs. Otherwise, they will see what an evil dictator you are and revolt. Even when the adults are yours and set in their ways, the new generation will always need influencing.

Eudaimonia sounds nice, kinda like a Star Trek: Federation model. Everyone gets along and everyone's happy and you only have to fight if you want to.

Cyborgs will fight against their enemy because society as a whole wants them to. After all, it'd probably be a group-consciousness. More efficient that way. Cyborgs are probably more likely to bombard with Conventional Missles and take control with Drop troops than to even think about sending in actual infantry. Think of the current effectiveness level of the US military (good advanced intel, GPS, and long-range missles) and then get rid of the bureaucracy and infantry. Replace with better military intel (fantastic hackers and detailed sat images) and perfect team-work (group consciousness again) and you've got a powerful army. Missles and Choppers to soften defenders then in come the Drop-Tanks to clean it up. Quick, quiet, and no losses.

	02-04-2004 12:35									#16
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Machines can be suicidal squirls, too! If brainwashed humans are so good, then programed machines are even better (cause they can have any form).

	02-04-2004 13:13									#17
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Thought Control is the coolest by far.

	02-04-2004 23:41									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Commy Humans are not perfect, and therefore, anything created by them is not perfect, even robots. What a shame.

Doesn`t no one realize that Cybernetic Society would have to include thought control in it, so the cyborgs would think their society is perfect.

	03-04-2004 02:10									#19
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Of course, because its based on computers (man-made technology), it would be flawed. One errant digit or something and a cyborg could become individual again, introduce a virus.....

	03-04-2004 03:09									#20
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Isn't that why there's a negative Police rating? There might not be a communal consciousness normally, so those who are not content with having implants and a possible shared consciousness will rebel. The Network Backbone probably would create a group consciousness, which would be kind of the like the Telepathic Matrix in it's abilty to quell rebellious thoughts (hence the removal of the neg. Police). The Cyborg faction, of course, is made up of willing individuals who trust in their AI counterparts and know how best to work with them, so resistance against the Cybernetic society would be much less.

	03-04-2004 05:20									#21
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"so the cyborgs would think their society is perfect."

Why would they need to think that? If there is weakness then they fix it. It is what give them the research bonus.

	03-04-2004 06:45									#22
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Very true, obstructor. But I think the mind control you are talking about is within the programming. Without giving a machine sentience, it can't make up its own mind. However, very true statement. It really is like thought control.

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quote: Originally posted by Crimson Sunrise Thought Control is the coolest by far.

I never thought I'd see YOU say that.

	03-04-2004 12:53									#24
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quote: Originally posted by obstructor Doesn`t no one realize that Cybernetic Society would have to include thought control in it, so the cyborgs would think their society is perfect.

Uh, what?

How does that stack up with the -3 POLICE?

	03-04-2004 22:47									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Trithemius Uh, what? How does that stack up with the -3 POLICE?

-3 Police comes form unsatisfied workers who lost their jobs, since finally no one needs laborers, so they get rebellious. In reality they would be reeducated, or they would emigrate somewhere elsewhere, so the penalty should dissapear after 20 or so years. Anyway, this penalty was invented for balancing (even as it is useless), and as many other modifiers for social models doesn`t make sense.

	04-04-2004 06:46									#26
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Think of it as the matrix. In a cybernetic society, people don't get to happy about machines running their lives. The -3 police is almost as bad as a free market, for the same reason. If your police leave, then the people rebel.

	04-04-2004 10:03									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan I never thought I'd see YOU say that.

Just because I do the Free Drone stories doesn't mean I don't harbor ambitions to join the ruling class of a futuristic totalitarian state.

	04-04-2004 10:41									#28
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More proof that Argentina is a thought control state

	04-04-2004 13:58									#29
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where can i see these stories?

	04-04-2004 22:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Quezacotl06 where can i see these stories?

AC fiction forum - BAC (great story - read it all the way!)