05-04-2004 21:57									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Look at some of the pro-abortion zealots on this side.

Interesting spin, Imran. I don't think any of us are pro-abortion as we aren't forcing abortions on anybody. Please, we are pro-choice and lets leave it that way.

	05-04-2004 21:58									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I don't think any of us are pro-abortion as we aren't forcing abortions on anybody.

I am. I believe in mandatory abortions for everyone.

	05-04-2004 22:50									#93
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quote: I don't think any of us are pro-abortion as we aren't forcing abortions on anybody. Please, we are pro-choice and lets leave it that way.

Well if you want to keep open the disparaging term 'anti-choice', I'm sure the other side can leave open an disparaging term for you. And pro-abortion is definetly a good nomer. You are in favor of abortion right?

	05-04-2004 23:09									#94
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pro-lifers hate women...

the judge? judges are all asswipes.

	05-04-2004 23:15									#95
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In French, I call myself "pro-abortion" all the time. The terminology is "anti-abortion" for the evil *******s, so it is only logical I call myself "pro-abortion".

	06-04-2004 01:49									#96
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What are we supposed to be outraged at again?

The judge seems to be within his rights to ask questions. But I don't see why I should be outraged at either party in the article. Or am I supposed to be outraged at Lincoln's constant baiting of people with inflammatory rhetoric?

	06-04-2004 01:53									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I don't think any of us are pro-abortion as we aren't forcing abortions on anybody. Please, we are pro-choice and lets leave it that way. Well if you want to keep open the disparaging term 'anti-choice', I'm sure the other side can leave open an disparaging term for you. And pro-abortion is definetly a good nomer. You are in favor of abortion right?

How is the term "anti-choice" disparaging though, really? It's actually accurate, as anti abortion folks oppose giving women a choice for having an abortion.

And che being the exception, pro-choicers, by and large, are not pro abortion. Abortions are unfortunate things thqt ideally would not take place. We are pro-right to have an abortion. So pro choice is the suitable moniker.

	06-04-2004 01:58									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov And che being the exception, pro-lifers, by and large, are not pro abortion.

I would hope not. They'd hardly be called pro-lifers if that were the case.

	06-04-2004 02:03									#99
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	06-04-2004 02:18									#100
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc quote: It's not a sentient human being at this time of pregnancy. I doubt it's sentient at birth either. What's your point?

Sentience is somewhat of an aribtrary concept and is hard to judge. We don't know when it is sentient.

	06-04-2004 02:22									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor In French, I call myself "pro-abortion" all the time. The terminology is "anti-abortion" for the evil *******s, so it is only logical I call myself "pro-abortion".

Yep, you've caught us, our opposition to Abortion is based on us hating women and being evil and wanting us to cause suffering. It most certianly couldn't be a differing vision of the good.

Your bigotry would make Falwell blush.

	06-04-2004 02:28									#102
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actually, anti-choice dopes believe what they are doing is good... they're mostly just harmless hypocrits. But the true advocates of the anti-choice movements are the ones that are evil. They are the one's protesting and picketing at clinics.

Truly evil people.

	06-04-2004 02:44									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What are we supposed to be outraged at again? The judge seems to be within his rights to ask questions. But I don't see why I should be outraged at either party in the article. Or am I supposed to be outraged at Lincoln's constant baiting of people with inflammatory rhetoric?

@ BG!

	06-04-2004 04:43									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Sentience is somewhat of an aribtrary concept and is hard to judge. We don't know when it is sentient.

That's the point I was trying to make.

	06-04-2004 05:16									#105
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quote: Or am I supposed to be outraged at Lincoln's constant baiting of people with inflammatory rhetoric?

Well, you have to admit... wonderfully successful troll.

	06-04-2004 05:55									#106
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Re: the semantics, "pro-abortion" upsets the 'choicers because, in their own words, they find it icky. "Anti-choice," on the other hand, is not a good term because people reflexively respond poorly to "anti"-ANYTHING, and the idea of being denied any form of freedom, no matter what that freedom is, feeds a peculiar form of paranoid psychosis common to all democracies. If the issue were whether we had a right to choose to mug old ladies, the term "anti-choice" would still invoke a gut reaction. It's loaded language. So Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, let's play nice.

	06-04-2004 05:55									#107
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I'm anti-terrorism! is that good or bad?

	06-04-2004 05:59									#108
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I am. I believe in mandatory abortions for everyone.

Retroactive, too?

	06-04-2004 06:00									#109
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The "anti-" is slightly bad, but countered by the "terrorism" when the brain catches up and puts it in context. However, to use your example, you might as well be called "anti-choice" for wanting to take away the individual Wahhabist whackjob's right to carbomb an embassy. Never mind that from your POV, the aspect of "choice" is utterly irrelevant; you're still "anti-choice," are you not?

	06-04-2004 06:00									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It was this qccursed French keyboqrd; I sweqr. The keys tend to be in the wrong plqce.

Great sig material though

	06-04-2004 06:05									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Elok The "anti-" is slightly bad, but countered by the "terrorism" when the brain catches up and puts it in context. However, to use your example, you might as well be called "anti-choice" for wanting to take away the individual Wahhabist whackjob's right to carbomb an embassy. Never mind that from your POV, the aspect of "choice" is utterly irrelevant; you're still "anti-choice," are you not?

but we're not talking about wahhabi whackjobs (although I'm sure they are against abortion too), we're talking about abortion. "anti-choice" when referring to abortion is the truest description of those people. They are against women having a choice about their own reproductive system. Those people certainly aren't "pro-life" because they most often believe in the death penalty and are pro-war when it comes to Iraq. There are some people that are truly pro-life, but those are like Buddhist monks who think it's wrong to step on ants.

The abortion debate isn't about life or death. It's about whether or not a woman has a right to make choices about her own body. Plain and simple. The anti-choice people might say otherwise, but who cares? They are all hypocrits and religious whackjobs anyways.

	06-04-2004 06:06									#112
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quote: but we're not talking about wahhabi whackjobs (although I'm sure they are against abortion too), we're talking about abortion. "anti-choice" when referring to abortion is the truest description of those people. They are against women having a choice about their own reproductive system. Those people certainly aren't "pro-life" because they most often believe in the death penalty and are pro-war when it comes to Iraq. There are some people that are truly pro-life, but those are like Buddhist monks who think it's wrong to step on ants.

Of course they are pro-life - they are for the life fo the fetus. They don't have to be pro- ALL life (for example, people guilty of murder), just like you aren't pro- ALL choice (such as killing someone)

	06-04-2004 06:07									#113
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Then get UR to stop whining about the term pro-abortion.

	06-04-2004 06:10									#114
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No, no... his continual whining is a sign of my successful troll

	06-04-2004 06:12									#115
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quote: Of course they are pro-life - they are for the life fo the fetus. They don't have to be pro- ALL life (for example, people guilty of murder), just like you aren't pro- ALL choice (such as killing someone)

as usual you are wrong...

the only people who are truly pro-life are buddhist monks... everyone else is a hypocrit

DD: why? UR is right about that. Pro-choice advocates aren't pro-abortion necessarily. I think abortions are bad things, and in a perfect world, wouldn't exist. But this world isn't perfect, and I'd rather live in a world with abortions than in a world where a government, or some sanctimonious, holier than thou ******* can control a woman's body.

It just goes to show all those anti-choice people who claim to be for small government are hypocrits once again. I can't think of a greater abuse of government power than placing laws on a woman's reproductive system.

Why are our birthdays the day we get shoved out of the womb? Society recognizes that a human life starts when we are born. A pizza is done when it comes out of the oven, not when you first mix the dough.

	06-04-2004 06:14									#116
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quote: the only people who are truly pro-life are buddhist monks... everyone else is a hypocrit

Then the only people who are truely pro-choice are nihilists and anarchists... everyone else is a hypocrit.

Therefore Pro-abortion and Anti-abortion are valid terms. Unless you want to use Pro-abortion-choice.

	06-04-2004 06:14									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Sava as usual you are wrong... the only people who are truly pro-life are buddhist monks... everyone else is a hypocrit

Wonderful counter... I'm completely convinced I was wrong now.

	06-04-2004 06:15									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: the only people who are truly pro-life are buddhist monks... everyone else is a hypocrit Then the only people who are truely pro-choice are nihilists and anarchists... everyone else is a hypocrit. Therefore Pro-abortion and Anti-abortion are valid terms. Unless you want to use Pro-abortion-choice.

yay Imran just said I was right!

	06-04-2004 06:17									#119
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skywalker, it's already been established that you are unable to think critically...

there are two kinds of people in this world... people able to think critically, are pragmatic, have an open mind, have a thirst for knowledge, and seek to understand things... and then there are the dopes.

Nothing that I can say will ever change your mind about anything... hence, my classification of you stands.