05-04-2004 18:44									#1
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In my current game I discovered philosophy.
I was the first civ to discover it, since I got one free tech.

I traded it immediately to another civ.
But after I traded it to the first civ, all the other civs immediately got the tech as well.

Now I found out that this happens all the time. First the civs don't have the tech. Then I give it to one of them, and then they all have it.

Is this on purpose?

	05-04-2004 18:52									#2
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This used to happen in vanilla Civ3 before they fixed it in a patch. I have not seen it since then. Could you post a save where it happens?

	05-04-2004 19:50									#3
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uh, no.

	05-04-2004 19:55									#4
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I remember the same bug into Civ 3 original,I have not tried on patched Conquests but I feel it is still present

Gunter

	05-04-2004 19:57									#5
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy uh, no.

Good luck figuring it out by yourself then!

	05-04-2004 20:14									#6
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quote: Originally posted by alexman Good luck figuring it out by yourself then!

Guess so
As soon as it occurs again, I'll post a save game.
I must say that I'm playing a scenario.

I'm not sure if that matters.... I think it doens't... well, it shouldn't.

	05-04-2004 21:27									#7
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CyberShy, i don't believe you.

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	05-04-2004 22:45									#8
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I would think that ToeTruck and some of the other OCC plyers would have notice if the bug was back.

	06-04-2004 00:11									#9
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maybe it's a feature. To prevent humans from whoring out techs.

	06-04-2004 00:35									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident maybe it's a feature. To prevent humans from whoring out techs.

No it's not. It was a bug that was removed from the game a long time ago.

	06-04-2004 00:42									#11
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I think it was a feature, which was removed due to protests.

	06-04-2004 01:55									#12
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there should be an autosave at the begining of the turn around unless you've played more than five turns since then.

	06-04-2004 02:20									#13
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Or if like me, you do not have autosave enabled.

	06-04-2004 02:26									#14
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn there should be an autosave at the begining of the turn around unless you've played more than five turns since then.

I keep on playing. And to me it's not that important...
but next tech, I'll investigate the issue if it happens again.

	06-04-2004 03:40									#15
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This doesn't happen in 1.15 beta I am certain. Maybe there is a scenario specific bug? Also I don't have 1.22 installed yet.........it's not beyond the realm of possibility they reintroduced the bug/feature.

Also not to be rude but make sure it wasn't the AI's turn you traded on.

	06-04-2004 05:17									#16
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You might notice that it can happen if you flip to the foreign advisor and trade it during the opening turn sequence. IOW, right at the time that the 'we have discovered' screen shows up you go trading before exiting that.

Whereas, if it happened later in the turn, after the opening sequence is completely finished, I would be very surprised.

	06-04-2004 05:25									#17
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that's when it happened, notyoueither.
I went from the sciense screen immediately into the F4 screen, and traded it.

I could only trade it to the first nation. After that, they all got the tech already.

After I traded it, I went back to the F6 screen to pick the tech to research next. When I had picked one and closed the screen, immediately a new 'you have discovered' screen popped up. Because I was the first on philosophy.

	06-04-2004 05:38									#18
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That's been there for a long time. It may have been 'fixed' at some point, but I can't recall.

The solution is to not trade tech at that point. Wait for your turn to begin.

	06-04-2004 06:34									#19
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NYE is right - I've definitely had that happen before. When you are advised that you have researched the tech, you can flip from the science screen into the foreign advisor screen and trade the tech immediately, but only once....then it goes back to finishing the sequence before it's truly your "manual' turn, during which time the AI has the opportunity to trade it around. Not sure if this should or shouldn't happen - probably shouldn't since all the AI's should have finished their turn by then - but it does.

Solution is to never trade the tech as soon as you are advised you have it. Wait until it's really your turn. Patience is a virtue!

	06-04-2004 10:56									#20
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But there is a change to get the most expensive free tech at that time.

	06-04-2004 13:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by binyo66 But there is a change to get the most expensive free tech at that time.

If you're talking about the Philosophy free tech, yes you can pick your free tech at that time as long as you're first to Philosophy. But what we're talking about is trading the tech around as soon as you've discovered it, only to find that the AI immediately trades it before you get to trade it so a second AI.

Or am I missing something here?

	06-04-2004 17:43									#22
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This is not really a bug, but rather a consequence of how the game works: The human moves first, then the AI moves, then the human has his build phase, then the AI has its build phase.

Players can trade in their build phase or in their movement phase. If you trade in your build phase, the AI gets to trade during its build phase before you get to trade again in your movement phase.

	06-04-2004 18:29									#23
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alexman, what you say is not the case.
it's more like:

--------start of my build phase----------
I get philosophy
I am the first one, since I get the free tech
I give philosophy to, say, the germans
I immediately talk to the french.
they already have philosophy.
------- end of my build phase---------

	06-04-2004 21:40									#24
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I believe both Alex and NYE are right on this issue. I'd hold off trading until your move phase and see what happens.

	06-04-2004 21:57									#25
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CyberShy I don't think that contradicts alexmans point. You need to wait to trade tech until you have control of the map.

The phase where get access to finished builds is not enough.

	06-04-2004 23:21									#26
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yeah, I'll do that from now on.
that's clear

thanks!

	07-04-2004 07:56									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Thriller If you're talking about the Philosophy free tech, yes you can pick your free tech at that time as long as you're first to Philosophy. But what we're talking about is trading the tech around as soon as you've discovered it, only to find that the AI immediately trades it before you get to trade it so a second AI. Or am I missing something here?

I dont think u r missing. U are right, if we are not talking about philo, dont trade the tech. But, if we got philo (and the first to discover it), we may trade it so that we could get the most expensive free tech. Nice feature

	07-04-2004 23:58									#28
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::rubbing hands::

Interesting point Biny....

	08-04-2004 00:58									#29
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I've traded new techs from "what's the big picture" a few times since installing the 1.22 patch and I've not yet seen this.

No one has mentioned the Great Library yet. I know philosophy is a a bit early for it but it'd be useful to rule it out even if more than 1 civ got the tech.

	14-04-2004 14:59									#30
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It brings another issue about "turn based." When we sell a tech to a civ in our turn, the tech price should not be cheaper when we sell to other civ on the same turn. It would be cheaper after our turn.