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hardjoy is offline hardjoy
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Weeks, months and years have gone by... lots of work went into this complete revision of my first viking scenario. This is tougher, plays a meaner game, and is more scary than the first effort. My ambition has been to create the most violent viking scenario available.

The primary focus of this scenario is on the viking raids in northwestern Europe, which gave rise to the transitions of western European tribal kingdoms into feudal monarchies and empires.

The scenario is for Civ2 Multiplayer Gold Edition. I recommend turning off diplomacy screens and using the customized tiles.dll for the full flavour (remember to backup your original tiles.dll).

You can find the latest version of the scenario here :

http://www.cdgroup.org/forums/tbs/c...p?p=33154#33154

Please post any bug reports and comments you might have, in this thread.

[edit : v2.2 uploaded 12th May 2004 - links exchanged]
[edit : v2.8 ready for download at CDG- links changed]

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Screenies... - vikings land in Normandy

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...and in East Anglia.

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Nice to see it finally released Morten! I will try it at once.. *downloading*

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Looking forward to hearing your comments -I'm quite curious to hear a play report or two.

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Okay, I have not played much so far, only a turn or two as the Norsemen. Then I hade to quit. Anyways, as soon as I get more time I will play more and give you a report

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Sounds cool :-)

Apropos time.... I've pretty much wrecked everything else in my life these past weeks, to finally get it done.

Spent the last few nights with nothing but playing and testing. The scenario lasts some 300 turns, so its been some pretty long games. Looking forward to getting my life back.

A few more details :

In contrast to the first version, it's actually pretty tough carving out an empire to stand the test of time, especially for the viking civs. Once you get past the spontaneous raidings and patrolling for monks and gold, you really have to contemplate sieges and campaigns in order to win.

There's a sneaky twist regarding the Hammers...

With the 'tech by conquest' in effect, the vikings cannot conquer too much territory too fast without receiving baptism. Baptism will cancel all pagan rituals, including the Hammers of Thor. So you'll lose your potentially most powerful weapon, if you're not careful.

On the other hand, you seriously need to conquer as much territory as you can, before your enemies grow too strong. I'll leave it up to you to devise a strategy to deal with this problem

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Can I upload it to the Spanish Site, hardjoy?

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You are so cruel to release your two gems during a RL crunch time! I'm looking forward to playing them when I can.

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@jasev

Yes, please do. However, I want to add a little documentation before too long. There's a few minor adjustments as well, so the doc's and pedia entries will probably coincide with v2.1.

I'll update the links and notify you in this thread, when I do - probably won't be too long, since I seriously gotta get back to my real life now, so I can't use forever.

You might want to also check out this thread :
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&threadid=84315

Same goes for that one.

@Boco

Didn't realize that - I thought the holidays would be a perfect occasion for some civ2 mayhem

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The scenario lasts some 300 turns


A slip of mind. Correction : the scenario lasts some 300 years, which amounts to about 100 game turns - from the first viking raid to the dawn of the crusades.

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For which one are you itching more for feedback: Vikings or Armada?

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The vikings definitely...

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Excellent scenario, Hardjoy I'm embarassed to say I missed version 1, but that makes playing this one all the more enjoyable.

For what it's worth, Chichester on the S. coast of England is mis-spelled. Also the flag of the House of Wessex was a gold griffon (dragon) on a red ground, rather than the 3 lions which was a much later banner for the kings of England. Perhaps you can do something with this shield to make a flag, not that this is of any real consequence

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Okay, I just had my first try as the danes, and I was very eager and conquered lots of cities. On turn three I had to choose baptism. ARGH!
At least I learned that I should mostly conquer Barbarian cities in the beginning. The Frisians weren't too happy when I slaughtered one of their kings
Anyways I will report back later on..

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@fairline

Thanks for the compliments
Brilliant with the griffon - didn't even think to research that one myself. I'll include it in v2.1

@Arthedain

[SPOILER]

You can make good money just patrolling christian coasts for monks, especially in the beginning - cities are difficult to protect and you'll often lose your forces too fast if you try to hold on to them before you have good defensive units or walls. (alternatively chiefs can protect important strongholds for some time).

There are some wonders around that will make this hit'n run tactic easier.

Another tip : establish embassies to check out which civs has which techs, then strike with full force on the weak coastal cities you spotted while raiding. You can use many rivers to strike deep inside enemy territory, once you take the first cities located on the river mouths (or build your own there).

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True, I also relalised that I didn't have to hold on to cities. I have a new tactic in mind this time.

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It's Anno Dominium 835.

Denmark is now ruled by a single king and the capital is Hedeby. Here both ships and warriors can heal. Also, in Denmark every city is connected by roads and the southern border expanded to Elisenhof. Itzehoe and Oldenburg has been razed. In the next turn I will be able to build Hammers of the North!

In the east, Lödöse and Skara has been incorporated and a road from Lund to Lödöse is under construction. Cities around the Baltic has been occupied and improvements sold etc. Some of them were lost after a while though. Cities I still hold on to are Wismar, Stralsund, Arkona and Rügenwalde.

During the hold time war has been waged against the Frisians and Anglo-Saxons. A permanent base has been established in England, Stamford. Viking chiefs has been raiding the are for many years, not occupying more territory though. Settlers has just arrived and will make the city bigger. Groningen and Utrecht has been occupied in Frisia and an attempt was made to occupy Dorestad (The king-creating event won't let me occupy it, thus getting longer into the river).

I also had a raid against southern Ireland, some units has been killed and a CHief holds a fortress on a hill there. The war with the Franks ended quickly as we lost Amiens, which was later on razed by the Norweigan vikings.

So far I'm enjoying this one very much and I will be looking forward to try the Hammer of the North!

To be continued..

Edit: btw, tech-rate is going a bit faster because I've built two monasteries. Maybe I should build more..?

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Yes! I loved the first version of this. Can't wait to try it out!

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Groningen and Utrecht has been occupied in Frisia and an attempt was made to occupy Dorestad (The king-creating event won't let me occupy it, thus getting longer into the river).

Yeah... with the Defend role of the Kings, the AI tends to fortify them within cities - they do move them around however, so you should be able to take Dorestad, when the king takes refuge some place else. You just have to take note when he's gone, and refrain from destroying him until you have control of their key cities (which will prevent the creation of Frisian kings for good )

In an earlier build, they had the Attack role, and could easily be lured away (too easily IMO). Maybe I should change them back to being offensive - it was quite commonly the King leading his forces into battle. Or perhaps a middle way - like role 3 - not sure how the AI will respond to that.

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The reason I gave them the defend role, was to make it more difficult to kill them. The Danes and Anglo-Saxons respectively get access to key techs/wonders, if they manage to kill the others king. I wouldn't want that to happen too early in the game. But of course, if the king-regenerating event prevents the capitals from being taken, because the kings hide there like rats, it's something to consider.

Loved your report, so far.

Monasteries btw will especially be helpful if you have a couple of abbeys within your city radius... - you might need dungeons as well to alleviate corruption. (which will cancel your raiders though - so be warned).

@Kobra

Nice to hear you liked the old version -This one is just as violent, but everything has been given a complete new overhaul. One major sacrifice from the first has been the paradropping vikings... I loved the idea in the first one, but I wanted to implement a more 'realistic' raiding feel to this one, and also make it a tad harder.

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Glad that you liked the report. I will of course play on more soon. I will try to lure the King away from Dorestad then, I've already killed two kings hehe..
I won't be able to capture more than one city now, because then I'll get Baptism, so I have to take Barbarian cities. Oh well, back to playing.

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Sorry for the delay, I've just uploaded the scen to the SCS

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i can´t download the armada scenario from civfanatics
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downloading hammer of the north and giving feedback asap

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which civ is recomended to play??

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@jasev

Thank you! -version 2.1 is strongly underway - it is primarily a graphical and slight rules/events update.

@Shaka

Try the Danes for a starter. They're in the central focus of the scenario, with great potential in England as well as France.

The Norse are slightly tougher to play, but have great opportunity for discovery to the north and colonizing Scandinavia and the east.

Both civs have good possibilities for playing out the "raiding" tactics of the scenario - i.e. patrolling for and killing monks for gold, and conquering the right spots for trade and techs.

I had a real fun game some time ago as the Franks, being beating around the bush by the Danes as well as the Norse - they quite beat the crap out of me, especially when a fleet of Drakkars began to venture up the Loire river to some of my richest but poorest protected cities.

A readme is coming up in v2.1 with some more detail and background info, as well as playing tactics.

Sorry for the bad links. Just copy and paste the download links, since poly doesn't like offsite linking (I'll exchange the links on Civfan as soon as possible - to the poly threads instead)

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I didn't know that Armada scenario, hardjoy... can I upload it too?

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I've downloaded the scenario, but the sounds file uploaded to poly is corrupt

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Yes, please do

I will upload the sound files for The Spanish Armada again tonight, and v2.1 of Hammer of the North - and post the links here for you.

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Sorry for the delay guys - links and uploads (with the Hammer update and the Armada fix) will come as soon as possible. :-)

- been tied up with way too much work and seminar lately.

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Got the chance to upload tonight. Take it away :-)

Hammer of the North v2.2

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...Hammer_v2_2.zip
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php..._v2_2_Sound.zip

The Spanish Armada v1.4

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...Armada_v1_4.zip
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php..._v1_4_Sound.zip

-Still need some pedia entries in Hammer of the North, they will come with the next upgrade. Until then, enjoy!

Please notify me of any bug reports, corrupted files or strange things that may have gone unnoticed.

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