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Frankychan is offline Frankychan
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Aye.

I'm just really looking forward to interacting with you guys roleplay-style....things should be interesting.

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Eh? Oh, yes, yes thank you, Jamski

Whee, now that I'm done with Uncle Sam for now, I can focus on this PBEM.

Just to make sure everything's on same level, here's my updated information....

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LIST OF PLAYERS NAME FACTION EMAIL GMT PASSWORD Kody Spartan Federation xxjohn@users.alphadimensions.netxx +10 submitted Frankychan Lord's Believers xxfrankychan0112@hotmail.comxx submitted Jamski Morgan Industries xxj_maunders@yahoo.co.ukxx +2 submitted Minute Mirage University of Planet xxminutemirage@hotmail.comxx submitted HongHu Gaia's Stepdaughters xxhhu003@mchsi.comxx submitted Hercules Peacekeeping Forces xxcathal.mullaghan@ntlworld.comxx +1 submitted GeoModder Human Hive xxgeomodder@hotmail.comxx +1 submitted


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Preference | Kody Frankychan Jamski Minute_Mirage HongHu Hercules GeoModder Map size | Stan/Large Stan/Large Stan/Large Stan/Large Stan/Large Stan Ocean | 30-50 30-50 50-70 30-50 30-50 30-50 Erosion | Aver Strong Aver Strong Strong Strong Life | Aver Rare Aver Aver Aver Aver Clouds | Aver Aver Aver Aver Aver Aver Difficulty | Transc Transc Transc Transc Transc Transc Transcend | Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Conquest | Diplomatic | Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Economic | Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Cooperative | Yes No Yes No Yes Do or Die | Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Flexible start | No No Yes No Yes Yes Tech stag | No No No No No No Spoils of war | Yes No No No No Blind research | Yes No No No No No Intense riv | No No No No No No survey | Yes Yes No Yes Yes No scatter | Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No rnd events | No Yes Yes Yes No Time Warp | No NO No No No Iron man | Yes No No No No Rand person | No No No No No Rand social | No No No No No


RESTRICTIONS/MODIFICATIONS:
1. No Empath Guild
2. No permanment pacts
3. A player may insert stockpile energy into the build queue after the production of a military unit.
4. No interceptors on auto
5. A player can not use a former to accumulate teraforming while the former is in transit.
6. A player may not restart a turn without good reason. The player should specify the reason in the game thread if he was not able to avoid reloading the turn. (Obviously, if a player has suffered some sort of crash during a turn, such a reload is unavoidable)
7. A player is not permitted to establish contact with another faction prior to having met them in-game.
8. If a player performs a probe team action other than to infiltrate against another player with whom (s)he is in a truce, treaty or pact, they must inform the probed player what it was they did and what they stole/sabotaged. They must also choose the 'declare vendetta/cancel pact' option when they perform the action.
9. A player is not permitted to make more than one social engineering change per line, per turn. For instance, one is not permitted to start the turn in wealth, switch to power mid-turn for the extra disbanded minerals, and then switch back to wealth that same turn, getting the refund.
10. A player is not permitted to use the 'demand withdrawal' feature against another player, leaving the AI the decision of whether to withdraw or not.
11. A player may not accept a bribe from another player's AI during council sessions.
12. A player may not perform multiple airdrops in a single turn with the same unit using the right-click menu.
13. A player may not use the F4 screen when infiltrated to change an opponent's workers to specialists.
14. If a player declares vendetta upon another player, either directly or indirectly, they must not accept a pending diplomatic agreement between the two factions in the same turn.
15. A player may not upgrade a particular type of unit using the design workshop, and then attack with that unit in the same turn.
16. A player may not make air drops using the right click "air drop to" function, when it is not possible to do so with the "i" button, ie. after already having moved or made a drop.
17. A player can not exploit the demon boil bug by setting patrolling waypoints for a mindworm.

NOTES:
Those emailing Jamski, put 'PBEM' in the subject line.

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As the best I can figure, this is preferences based on the majority...

One item - Flexible Start - was tied between 3 Yes and 3 No. I took the liberty of putting it down as a Yes. If you don't agree, well, you're more than welcome to try to persuade at least one other person to change

TENTATIVE PREFERENCES

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Map size | Standard Ocean | 30-50 Erosion | Strong Life | Aver Clouds | Aver Difficulty | Transc Transcend | Yes Conquest | Yes Diplomatic | Yes Economic | Yes Cooperative | Yes Do or Die | Yes Flexible start | Yes Tech stag | No Spoils of war | No Blind research | No Intense riv | No No survey | Yes No scatter | Yes No rnd events | Yes Time Warp | No Iron man | No Rand person | No Rand social | No

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Are anybody picky about turn order? It seems to me that with SMAC, the turn order is permanmently set to Gaia, Hive, Uni, Morgan, Sparta, Believers, then Peacekeepers. If you guys prefer a different order, I might will have to set the game up via SMAX but I'm not sure if everybody has that.

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Am I going to have to change the txt of SMAC to implement the Restrictions, or will the gamefile do that automatically?

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Well as of right now, I pretty much was going to do this by the honor system. In other words, you guys will have to trust each other to not violate those restrictions.

If you know how I can implement those restrictions, do let me know.

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I'd rather do the honor system. I don't know how to hyper-form. Perma-pacts you can kinda tell...besides, it's better to meet ingame.

Empath Guild.....easy to see if someone is cheating.

Stockpiling bug. I don't know what this is.

No interceptors on auto. Can you clarify this for me?

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I think you should be able to disable Empath Guild. Also you may want to disallow joint victory to disallow perm pact but I'm flexible on that.

In addition, moving and terraforming on the same turn may be perfectly ok if it is on a road and it has moves left when it reaches the destination. My understanding is that the "hyper-teraforming" is referring to accumulating teraforming while formers are in transit.

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Oh and we should also include all the craps like no talking before actually meet in game and such.

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Stockpiling bug. I don't know what this is.

Stockpiling bug is that you put stockpile on the building queue so you gain ecs when you complete a production.

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No interceptors on auto. Can you clarify this for me?

I think Jamski explained this one that when interceptors are set on auto it will automatically intercept enemy planes when the human player are not even aware.

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Blind research | Yes


Is this right?

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Thanks HongHu!

Ummm, I think I was the only one who voted for Blind Research....that wouldn't be fair to everyone else...

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Indeed, blind research off please...

Also, I prefer not being able to contact each other before we meet ingame. The rest :shrug: there is no AI ingame, so is not really a problem.

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Agreed. All ingame stuff should be just that, INGAME.

But tech questions or whatever should be just fine outside....maybe once we start contacting e/o we can create another thread...

But you can't look at it until you are contacted!

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Oops, blind research changed. Thanks, HongHu .

Yeah I pretty much do what's easily done such as disabling technology or whatever. Stuff involving tinkering with alpha.txt itself, I'd prefer not to.

As for comlinks, there's a line that needs to be changed in alpha.txt to ensure that human players doesn't get comlinks for each other in the beginning. But that involves you guys going into your alpha.txt. Prolly easier just to ignore but that means no free comlinks via pod popping which is probably a good thing but I just recalled that you guys wanted no scatter

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Right. Of course we can always emailing each other. So this is a test of how good of a boy you all are.

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How about submissive pacts? Or do we have to completely eliminate each of the other opponents?

Also with this setting....

No Scatter "Yes"

I'm guessing that there'll only be pods near our original base site?

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Yes. But wait! If we get the commlink for another faction via pod, wouldn't that technically be legitimate?

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Not only techically, but completely legit.

Its a trust game.

-Jam

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Well, submissive reeks to much to permapact. I prefer to totally obliterate a faction...

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Great so there goes my plan of surrendering to someone.

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Yes. But wait! If we get the commlink for another faction via pod, wouldn't that technically be legitimate?


But if you already have all comlinks in the first place due to the game design, you won't "discover" a comlink via a pod. But since No Scatter is on, there will not be any pods.

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There will be some, but only near the starting bases.

But yes, we will all start with commlinks for all factions anyway

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Great so there goes my plan of surrendering to someone.


That was only my opinion, how do the other 5 participants feel about the submissive stuff?

I suppose if joint victory is disabled, that no points will be given to a submissive 'partner'.

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What we can't even surrender now?!

As for commlinks, I thought we decided to disable the initial commlinks.

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Ok guess you guys will need to iron out that comlink thing and mmm submissive issue.

Meanwhile I will get started on the map.

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We really should wait until we meet in game or via buying, selling, or trading comm links to meet.

Note this is Smac version 5 game isn't it. Happily I have set up this version in a separate drive already so as not to interfere with my other non Smac V5 games.

Just a warning note for those not familar with the difference. V5 is regarded as the most bug free version. Is that right?

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The latest versions are supposed to be.

No contact till we meet, or the other options Herc mentions.

And how do people feel about submissive pact?
HongHu seems in favor as well, 2-1 thus sofar

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It would be nice to have a few monoliths scattered around the map to compensate for the lack of pods.

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I don't care about submissive. If someone is submissive to me, or if I am submissive to another, I would hope that the other person would honor that pact. If I'm submissive and someone tells me to do something, I'll do it.

In-Favor here.

How do I check to see if I have the latest patch?

 
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