06-04-2004 22:25									#31
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The Europeans would be better off launching on Russian rockets. Really.

Even American rockets would be cheaper in many configurations, which means that Ariane V is way out of line.

	06-04-2004 22:30									#32
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It's still useful. It can carry 4 satellites.

	06-04-2004 22:31									#33
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BFD.

	06-04-2004 22:39									#35
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The rocket the Russians wanted to use for their moon launch was about as big, the N1:

Here is a site with a nice set of size comparisons:

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/rockets_launchers.html

	06-04-2004 22:40									#36
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It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. They didn't make it to the moon, did they?

	06-04-2004 22:42									#37
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INterestingly, the Energia project hope to have a launcher with a 100,000 Kg payload.

	06-04-2004 22:42									#38
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quote: It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. They didn't make it to the moon, did they?

According to Dan, size matters.

	06-04-2004 22:42									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. They didn't make it to the moon, did they?

It wasn;t rocket size and power that kept them out of the moon, if that is what you mean.

	06-04-2004 22:46									#40
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Now that's a worthy competitor, GePap. Hats off to the Russkiis.

Unfortunately for them, it blew up four times in a row. Tough luck in the rocket biz. Saturn V = 100% success. N1 = 0% success.

	06-04-2004 22:46									#41
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talking about putting sattilites in orbit then:
energia rockets are bigger and badder than the saturn V. and the sojoez rockets are the best rockets out there even the adriane 4 and 5 arent as good as the russian rockets. the delta rockest of the US are good...but the space shuttle suckes.

	06-04-2004 22:53									#42
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My rocket brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like... its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you... but I have to charge.

	06-04-2004 22:56									#43
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The Soyuz (the booster, not the capsule) is a pretty damn good rocket. 100% success in 150 launches demonstrates that fact.

But who would want to launch from Kazakhstan rather than Florida? No contest.

Also, Falcon V is slated to fly for a third the price per pound of the Soyuz. I've got my fingers crossed.

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	06-04-2004 22:57									#44
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Ariane launches in Suriname. You can go for a little side-trip to the carnavals in Rio De Janeiro if you time the launch well.

	06-04-2004 22:57									#45
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Space Elevator! less pollution, more payload, less expense!

	06-04-2004 23:03									#46
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quote: You can go for a little side-trip to the carnavals in Rio De Janeiro if you time the launch well.

Yeh, but Cape Canaveral is a little over an hour's drive from Disney World. Again, no contest.

	06-04-2004 23:05									#47
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And Universal Studies and Sea World

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yup yup. All year 'round.

	06-04-2004 23:08									#49
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And the Mall at Millenium and the world' biggest McDonalds and Church Street and . . .

	06-04-2004 23:12									#50
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all those other wonderful capitalistic marvels.

	06-04-2004 23:15									#51
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Commies give capitalism its props, Ogie. We just think things could be better.

	06-04-2004 23:15									#52
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They eat grass in Suriname.

Face it Colon, Russians and Ukrainians are the only Europeans with the imagination it takes to build something like this. We stole all the remaining imagination fair and square.

	06-04-2004 23:17									#53
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French Guyana has unspoiled beaches.

	06-04-2004 23:18									#54
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And next time don't parrot me when I say it's launched in Suriname. Do some fact checking.

	06-04-2004 23:30									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Colon French Guyana has unspoiled beaches.

So does Florida.

	07-04-2004 00:09									#58
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Unfortunately for them, it blew up four times in a row. Tough luck in the rocket biz. Saturn V = 100% success. N1 = 0% success.

Was a beauty, though:

	07-04-2004 01:35									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Colon Ariane V looks nicer.

the explosions are prettier as well.

	07-04-2004 01:36									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. They didn't make it to the moon, did they?

they made it, it was a spectacular explosion