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Sir Og
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Lurking in Stara Zagora, Bulgaria
Jun 2001
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Energia is the most powerfull rocket.
Payload from Baikonur
95-100 tons to 51-degree LEO
18 tons to geostationary orbit
32 tons to the lunar transfer
28 tons to Venus and Mars
As for the X Prise. I find it amusing that american and british companies are trying to build rockets from scratch when all they should do is hire a second rate russian rocket scientist.
I recently saw a show on Discovery channel that showed some american engineers who didn't beleive that technical characteristics of russian rocket engines were possible. The energia engines were 5 times more efficient than american engines.
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Lefty Scaevola
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Oct 2000
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Originally posted by ErikM
N1s blew up, yes.
The launching pad was destroyed on the 2nd launch, yes.
Killed personnel, no.
The largest space exploration disasters would be Challenger/Columbia. |
I was thining of the Nedelin disaster, which for decades, until apparently recently with some decassified soviet information, was thought here to have occured durring the development of a heavy space exploration rocket. Last time I looked it about a year and a half ago, it was still being conjectured that it was a moon rocket that was being developed rather than a humongous multi-stage liquid fueled ICBM.
"On October 24, 1960 a rocket exploded on a Soviet launchpad killing 126 people in what is known in the West as the Nedelin catastrophe. While once thought to have been space-related based (on the little information available outside the Soviet Union) it later emerged that the accident was connected with the development of a new ICBM."
"The Nedelin catastrophe or Nedelin disaster was a launchpad accident that occurred while developing a new Soviet missile, which resulted in massive loss of life.
On October 24, 1960 the second stage of the first R-16 ICBM ignited on the pad, igniting the first stage and causing the whole rocket to explode. 126 people died, including Soviet Stratigic Missile Forces Commander-in-Chief Mitrofan Nedelin and Chief Designer Boris Konoplev. The rocket's Chief Designer, Mikhail Yangel, himself only just missed being killed, having walked into a bunker to smoke a cigarette 30 seconds before the explosion. The cause of the accident was later found to be a poorly designed second-stage control system which lacked sufficient on-pad safeguards. The heavy death toll resulted from complete neglect of safety rules.
The incident was very effectively covered up during the Cold War and the story did not emerge in the West until the 1990s."
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Sir Og
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Lurking in Stara Zagora, Bulgaria
Jun 2001
time: 07:35
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The site says that it only flew twice in the late 80's. My guess is that there was no need for such a powerfull rocket and by that time there were no extra money to make flights just for fun.
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Cruddy
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Wow. That's expensive. The field programmable gate array (FPGA) doesn't cost that much. |
Do remember that space tech components have much more rigourous testing than earth based equivalents (g-shock, radiation, static electricity).
If they were mass produced, that would make them cheaper - but there currently isn't a call for thousands of rocket flight computers.
More's the pity.
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Originally posted by Sir Og
Energia is the most powerfull rocket.
Payload from Baikonur
95-100 tons to 51-degree LEO
18 tons to geostationary orbit
32 tons to the lunar transfer
28 tons to Venus and Mars
As for the X Prise. I find it amusing that american and british companies are trying to build rockets from scratch when all they should do is hire a second rate russian rocket scientist.
I recently saw a show on Discovery channel that showed some american engineers who didn't beleive that technical characteristics of russian rocket engines were possible. The energia engines were 5 times more efficient than american engines.
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Correct. Saturn V was THE major achievement for it's time - but there really isn't a need for sending 2 astronauts to the moon more than a couple of times.
There is a major need for satellites in earth orbit for comms and monitoring - of much more benefit to mankind.
As for all those slagging Ariane V - I sort of agree with you. Watching all those pics of exploding rockets over the years really annoyed me.
It seems to be working much better now - but the development was a long time coming.
What do you expect, with all the countries doing it speaking different languages?
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Cruddy
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The amount of radiation on the way up is minimal |
Very true. I was thinking more of electronics in an orbit, rather than a vehicle taking them up there.
Launching in a solar flare period would be just asking for trouble.
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:35
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Regarding whether or not Shuttle sucks, I would point out that the actual rocketry only failed once out of 113 tries. The other failure was upon reentry.
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The site says that it only flew twice in the late 80's. My guess is that there was no need for such a powerfull rocket and by that time there were no extra money to make flights just for fun. |
My info on the booster shows that of the 2 flights (1 with the Buran and 1 without), only 1 was successful.
http://www76.pair.com/tjohnson/sovsum.txt
Still, obviously it was one damn big rocket.
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ErikM
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Originally posted by DanS
My info on the booster shows that of the 2 flights (1 with the Buran and 1 without), only 1 was successful.
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Both launches were successful, but payload on the first rocket misfunctioned and did not deploy properly.
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