13-04-2004 02:58									#91
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	13-04-2004 19:26									#92
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COme on Man Utd. Let's stick 10 past Leicester tonight...

If we do that and beat Portsmouth, just 7 points between us in 2nd and Arsenal.

	13-04-2004 19:33									#93
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever I saw it in my local on the French channel (Canal+, I think), easy game to sum up....nothing in it the first 45, Arsenal much the better side in the second. BTW Henrys second(?) goal was a cracker, he beat 3 defenders (admittedly one of them was Biscan ), and put it past Dudek

ah, don't think we can get french telly in any of the pubs round here (might be able to in swansea but not really sure).

i saw the goal on the premiership, vintage henry . thought we were a bit unlucky against newcastle (from what i saw on the highlights) but 4 points from liverpool and newcastle ain't bad going, especially with chelsea slipping up.

liverpool looking a bit dodgy for 4th now though, charlton doing the double over you isn't exactly something you'd have predicted at the start of the season

	13-04-2004 19:38									#94
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney liverpool looking a bit dodgy for 4th now though, charlton doing the double over you isn't exactly something you'd have predicted at the start of the season

it's like nobody wants that 4th spot! the money the CL generates would be nice but if I'm honest, unless the kid Cisse is some kind of miracle worker, we'd just get embarrassed playing in it next year.

BTW looking at the last 4 teams in the CL and the last 4 in the UEFA, you'd be hard pressed to say which one was the bigger competition!

	13-04-2004 19:39									#95
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@ Liverpool.

Aren't they going to sign another Frog too over summer...brilliant Houllier making his mark.

	13-04-2004 19:42									#96
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"BTW looking at the last 4 teams in the CL and the last 4 in the UEFA, you'd be hard pressed to say which one was the bigger competition!"

It's the European Cup (CL )

	13-04-2004 19:44									#97
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well i read earlier in the year (in the sun, but still ) that owen was making noises about moving if the club couldn't secure champions league football. but domestic form doesn't seem always translate into europe it seems (not that i'm bitter ).

	13-04-2004 19:45									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue If we do that and beat Portsmouth, just 7 points between us in 2nd and Arsenal.

At least I'm not delusional

You sound like an Everton fan "If you lose your next 4 and we win out next 4 and the game in hand, we'll only be 6 points behind....."

Let it go PA, youre no closer to 18 titles than you were in the summer!

	13-04-2004 19:47									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue "BTW looking at the last 4 teams in the CL and the last 4 in the UEFA, you'd be hard pressed to say which one was the bigger competition!" It's the European Cup (CL )

The 'bigger' and better sides are left in the UEFA this year, smart @rse

	13-04-2004 19:48									#100
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That's the problem with Liverpool. If they quit resting on past successes, maybe they'd start to care more about the dire state of their team. Even if you finish 4th it's an awful season. Not even making 1.5 points per game

	13-04-2004 19:52									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue That's the problem with Liverpool. If they quit resting on past successes, maybe they'd start to care more about the dire state of their team. Even if you finish 4th it's an awful season. Not even making 1.5 points per game

I agree, but PLEASE don't with the '1.5 points a game', it a bit 'American' don't you think?

I DO care about the 'state' of the side but I prefer to support my team, I have my views on GH but while he's still manager of Liverpool then I'll support him.

	13-04-2004 20:03									#102
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Owen going to Villa at end of season for CL.. He wouldn't get regular place at the other three teams in it.

	13-04-2004 20:04									#103
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there's no need to take the mickey...

	13-04-2004 20:15									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Owen going to Villa at end of season for CL.. He wouldn't get regular place at the other three teams in it.

If he won't sign I'd rather sell him this summer and get the money than wait 6/12 watching the fee down down every month, where he goes is of no concern really....

Villa have got about as much chance of getting in the CL as ManU have of winning it!


On a slightly different note, was the reason ManU failed to get into the quarter finals of the CL for the first time in 8(?) years anything to do with UEFA bringing the knock out stages forward this year? You'd better hope it never goes back to a straight knockout.....

	13-04-2004 20:53									#105
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The second Shankly quote in your signature is just hilarious!

In other 'pools news, Mexes says that he woun't join reds unless they qualify for CL next season. If they don't the'll spend another season with a number of underperforming strikers and about a million defensive midfielders with about as much creativity as my refrigerator.

The reason Manchester United didn't further was because a) they were actually cheated on a vital goal and b) They are not good enough.

	13-04-2004 21:07									#106
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Reds4ever, the introduction of earlier knockout rounds gives weaker teams a better chance, yes.

	13-04-2004 21:32									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Reds4ever, the introduction of earlier knockout rounds gives weaker teams a better chance, yes.

You should go into politics PA, yes, thats one way too look at it, but the other is that you could have to play the likes of Real, Juve, Dortmund and errr....Porto in the early knockout rounds with no second chances.

	13-04-2004 21:34									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin In other 'pools news, Mexes says that he woun't join reds unless they qualify for CL next season. If they don't the'll spend another season with a number of underperforming strikers and about a million defensive midfielders with about as much creativity as my refrigerator.

Yep, we should have tried ANYTHING to get another season or two out of Litmanen as an attacking midfielder IMO

	13-04-2004 21:34									#109
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If only the Premiership was a knockout, huh Reds..

	13-04-2004 21:37									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue If only the Premiership was a knockout, huh Reds..

Whats your point? There'd still only be one winner and it still wound n't be ManU now, would it?

	13-04-2004 21:41									#111
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quote: Whats your point? There'd still only be one winner and it still wound n't be ManU now, would it?

No, it would probably some team like Newcastle.

The fact is, knockout rounds are inferior to leagues in producing the better/best winner, but a compromise needed to be struck to reduce the number of games.

It's not ideal, and we'll get more fluke teams progressing in the CL, so that's what's going to happen. Bit of a pity really, as I'd much rather watch a Man Utd - Real final, or Milan - Chelsea than the Mickey Mouse one we are going to get this year.

	13-04-2004 21:52									#112
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Like Wes Brown as central defender in a champions leauge final wouldn't degrade the tournament.

	13-04-2004 21:54									#113
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This the same Wes Brown that nullified over 180 minutes the "world's best striker" () to one 40-yard pot-shot that only went in due to poor goalkeeping?

	13-04-2004 21:57									#114
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Who? Kenny Miller?

	13-04-2004 22:01									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue No, it would probably some team like Newcastle. The fact is, knockout rounds are inferior to leagues in producing the better/best winner, but a compromise needed to be struck to reduce the number of games. It's not ideal, and we'll get more fluke teams progressing in the CL, so that's what's going to happen. Bit of a pity really, as I'd much rather watch a Man Utd - Real final, or Milan - Chelsea than the Mickey Mouse one we are going to get this year.

The problem they had PA, was that noone was interested watching teams NOT knock each other out for most of the competition, people like to have a winner and a loser and having 2 qualify from a group of four (TWICE!!!!), just wasn't exciting enough. Yes, It would probally produce better quality finals, but at the expense of the rest of the tournament.

I know you'd like to see Utd in the final, but if you want it to be a meritocracy then ManU arn't in the top 2 (or 4 for that matter) in Europe anyway. So under either system, you don't deserve to be there.

	13-04-2004 22:44									#116
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Real Madrid, Man Utd, and AC Milan are the best three European teams.

And no, Liverpool aren't fourth, no matter how many joke cups you win.

	13-04-2004 22:57									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Real Madrid, Man Utd, and AC Milan are the best three European teams.

What is it about ManU's CL efforts post 1999 (ie 5 years ago) that gives you cause to believe that anyway? You make it through a league system that is designed to keep teams in and the 'big' teams away from each other then you get to the nitty gritty, meet a decent side and get knocked out?

According to you, under the league system should n't a 'top 3' side be reaching (at least!) the semi finals a tad more often than you are?

	15-04-2004 01:50									#118
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever What is it about ManU's CL efforts post 1999 (ie 5 years ago) that gives you cause to believe that anyway? You make it through a league system that is designed to keep teams in and the 'big' teams away from each other then you get to the nitty gritty, meet a decent side and get knocked out? According to you, under the league system should n't a 'top 3' side be reaching (at least!) the semi finals a tad more often than you are?

.....and you're gonna make me wait HOW long for an answer?

	15-04-2004 12:41									#119
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I don't think United is one of the best four teams in europe, although along with arsenal they're close. English teams are always gonna have tough time winning it though cause;
1. they play way too many games and
2. they play too naieve (allthough is great to watch)

	15-04-2004 12:45									#120
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You don't have to be a good side to do well in a cup Reds, and likewise you can be a good side and go out in the early rounds, when it's a knockout.