07-04-2004 15:39									#1
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Ostfront

I am creating a 1 vs. 1 multiplayer/PBEM scenario covering the Eastern Front of the Third Reich, the war against the Soviet Union. Basically it will be two scenarios: Barbarossa and Counterstrike.

Barbarossa will start on 22 June 1941 with the beginning of the invasion of the Soviet Union. This scenario will enable you to take command of either the Wehrmacht or the Red Army and fight until the bitter end of your enemy!

Counterstrike will start on 19 November 1942, the beginning of the Battle of Stalingrad. This scenario will give you the opportunity to drive the Fascist invaders out of Mother Russia or try to settle the burning issues at the Eastern Front for the Führer ...

Each unit will represent a regiment, squadron or group, depending on the military branch and the side.

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	07-04-2004 15:40									#2
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Here´s what I´ve got so far!

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	07-04-2004 15:41									#3
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And the (summer) terrain1!

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	07-04-2004 15:42									#4
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And the (summer) terrain2!

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	07-04-2004 15:45									#5
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The scenario series will also include two final missions:

Taifun - The German assault upon Moscow. Fight through narrow streets from the outskirts to the Kremlin and try to succeed where the Wehrmacht failed.

Vengeance - The Soviet storm on Berlin. From the Seelow Heights to the Wilhelmstraße. Desperate street-to-street fighting in the ruins of the capital of the Third Reich. Can you do as well as Marshal Zhukov´s troops in WW2?

Work on those two scens will start once I am more or less done with Barbarossa ... stay tuned!

Last edited by jim panse on 07-04-2004 at 16:54

	07-04-2004 18:09									#6
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Awesome!!!

I will have my eye on this one!

	07-04-2004 20:03									#7
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@ Curt: Be my guest, my friend!

	08-04-2004 01:32									#8
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse Ostfront Each unit will represent a regiment, squadron or group, depending on the military branch and the side.

You're going to need a lot of units!
Unless ofcourse, that is a reference to the city combat, well, you'll still need a lot of units...

What is the limit for the number of units on a gamemap (i know it is over 1000, but where is the limit?)

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ALSO a good idea for ww2 scenarios (i suspect atleast >someone< who reads this thread could make use of this... to simulate the US entry into the war the allies can recieve very slow, very powerful ships which can bombard German shores: this would simulate the preperations for naval invasions

i know this is not relevant to this scenario but i thought it would be a good idea

	08-04-2004 01:34									#9
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could you possibly put the map up for us... i could have my own use for it. if you don't have one, give me the parameters and i'll make one!

	08-04-2004 03:16									#10
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@ Comrade Stalin: I have a map, not do worry about that. I took your fantastic European gigamap, sliced Western Europe and the Med off and added Scandinavia. Here you go ...

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	08-04-2004 19:10									#11
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thank you i am honoured, i look forward to seeing that

	08-04-2004 19:16									#12
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thankyou, i am very pleased my map has been used
i look forward to seeing it

about the unit sizes (see post three above)

	08-04-2004 21:35									#13
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I think I will leave out Scandinavia at last. There was little fighting compared to the main fronts. The map will follow later the day, stay tuned!

	08-04-2004 23:23									#14
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I downloaded this map and took a look at it.



What a monster! Just about the largest map I've seen.

Nice work though.

	09-04-2004 00:26									#15
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I decided to change the map a bit. I am going to exclude most of Scandinavia and Suomi as I need to place those cities elsewhere

Here we go with the new map, there are some cities placed, some still lack. If you suggest I´d move one or another city, feel so free to leave a comment!

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	09-04-2004 01:51									#16
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1. You can probalby cut some of the ship Slots-while I know both sides did use warships, really, the naval war was at best a sideshow-three types of unit, sub, surface warship, and transport would probably be enough

2. You might think of including a couple units more for Axis allies, specifically Hunagry and Italy, both of which supplied a fair number of divisions to the war.

3. certainly you might be able to afford putting in a few more armor classes, like more SU's on the soviet side (unless those are only the units for the first half)

	09-04-2004 02:27									#17
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@ GePap: Thank you for the feedback! I will now try to answer you!

ad (1) I think I will leave out some of the ships, you are right.

ad (2) I have still some slots free and those German allies will definitely be included! I think Bulgaria and Romania will make a nice Balkan Allies civ!

ad (3) Same as (1)! Any suggestions?

	09-04-2004 15:17									#18
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This tank will also be included ... some T-28 Medium Tank!

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	09-04-2004 15:42									#19
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That's nice Jim.

Looking at your units, I have a few quibbles. Why have you shortened the nose on my 109? It looks very out of proportion now - what actually needed doing was shortening the right wing, as I have here . Only the Algemeine-SS wore black, and then only when out of a combat zone. The Waffen-SS often wore camo smocks, as below. If the other SS fella is supposed to be SD, I'd have him in feldgrau rather than black. The Germans didn't paint their planes grey BTW.

I've included my tweak of Catfishes tweak of Nemo's Tiger (bit of a mouthful ). IMHO Catfish's version is the best Tiger there is.

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	09-04-2004 16:10									#20
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Awesome stuff, chaps!

Of course, I must now also upgrade my Bf109 to v.2!

	09-04-2004 16:11									#21
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This would be a great chance to ask for a fairline He-111!

*shameless hint*

	09-04-2004 16:56									#22
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@ fairline: Thanks for that hints, I will sure as hell update the files!

* The SS trooper in feldgrad is the Einsatzgruppen trooper, the other one (regular SS trooper) will get a decent camo smock, thanks to you

* The Bf-109 will be updated, stay tuned for further updates of the units, maybe today, maybe tomorrow ... who knows?



@ curt: Where can I get your fabolous Dictator ToT scens? Any chance of getting a ToT version of Dictator III? I would gladly offer any needed help though!

	11-04-2004 19:16									#23
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Current units file ...

* Some units are still missing: (1) Worker Militia, (2) Defence Position.

* The Settler and the Engineer slot will be filled with some units too, I have not decided yet.

* There are too many vessels I think. Any suggestions?

Any comment is highly appreciated!

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	11-04-2004 21:41									#24
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How about giving the Italians "Flying Artillary", the name of their horse drawn artillary units. These units performed quite well in the Eastern campaign and earned almost nothing but praise. Their guns were smaller in size but they were extremely manuverable (? spelling). They could go where the larger guns couldn't and when the roads became a quaqmire, they could usually continue on to support the troops after everything else become stationary. They weren't to effective against armor though.


Just an idea.

	12-04-2004 00:25									#25
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that is a very fine fortification unit

about city combat:
i don't know how relevant this would be to WWII combat but ocean can be used as roads and naval units as vehicles (which can carry units as allocated).

Of course this leaves the issue of real water:
This could be simulated by high move cost terrain simulating units crossing by ship (slow units are harder to ferry across accordingly)

I do not know much about the significance of rivers/lakes in the Berlin and Moscow campaigns but perhaps these crossings could have a low defence value. The water could have bridges built across it in certain places in the form of roads.
I have never seen this done but in theory it seems a great idea

	12-04-2004 00:30									#26
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---------- ON THE ABOVE ----------
I will produce a test scenario on the computer players behaviour and practicallities of this sort of combat.
stay tuned, i will release it here within the next few days

	12-04-2004 02:02									#27
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No Yugoslavs, and also, I believe that there was very little real naval action.

	12-04-2004 02:24									#28
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I love that new panther!

	13-04-2004 17:46									#29
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... all quiet on the eastern front ...

	13-04-2004 18:01									#30
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Will you have winter and summer seasons, like Red Front?