14-04-2004 01:55									#31
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there was a post by jesse smith in CFC explaining the reasons for removing Radio from the game. too bad that Poly is in their ignore list...

	14-04-2004 03:06									#32
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Indeed they seem to post here less. Most of my time spent browsing CFC is looking for 'official' posts that wont appear here.

	14-04-2004 07:30									#33
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yes, that's what i do too. i'd say that if you want some hot info about what happens in the backstage then you have to browse CFC. and this is sad.

	14-04-2004 13:51									#34
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Maybe we should pick someone from here that posts a fair bit there and use them as CFC liaison officer, which means they post any good info from Firaxis here.

	14-04-2004 17:55									#35
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I'm guessing the reason that Firaxis favors CFC is that there is a lot less Firaxis bashing there. Can you blame them?

	14-04-2004 18:03									#36
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Well it's a little chickeny and eggy. They get less abuse because people respect that they get information and temper any negative opinions they might hold.

Plus I would add from 2 and half years of posting in Civ3 forums here that the general vibe has always (post initial release backlash) been a positive one, despite a few notable Coracles.

It's only really lately that the vibe has turned more critical. And frankly, after the official post regarding finishing C3C and the seemingly endless patch problems I'm not really that surprised at the change in opinions in general.

	14-04-2004 18:10									#37
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Has anyone else noticed that the Science Advisor will still tell you that the Radio tech is available for research?

	14-04-2004 18:17									#38
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Really? Sloppy again.

	14-04-2004 20:25									#39
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hehe, that's one of the reasons why I won't install the 1.22 patch. I already have enough bugs to bother me, I don't need new ones.

	15-04-2004 20:31									#40
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Funny thing, I've never heard of anyone asking for the removal of Radio.

	16-04-2004 00:38									#41
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Smiley, you must hang out in the wrong forums

	16-04-2004 00:53									#42
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm Firaxis did explain why. (To be honest it might have been on Civfanatics, though.) They wanted there to be more than one viable path through the Industrial ages and to make the previously never researched Advanced Flight more enticing.

Never researched Advanced Flight? How else would you turn an enemy empire into a crater-filled holocaust, one of C3C's finest pleasures?

	16-04-2004 16:52									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Never researched Advanced Flight? How else would you turn an enemy empire into a crater-filled holocaust, one of C3C's finest pleasures?

You're doing that w/ paratroopers and helicopters?

	16-04-2004 21:56									#44
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damn Civ2 tech tree....

	24-04-2004 21:46									#46
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I rather didn't think getting rid of Radio worked. As it is now, the AI doesn't research advanced flight until much later and hence they have stopped using radar towers. That was the one thing that kept me from totally running over them in my late modern games.

	24-04-2004 22:36									#47
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Well what I generally hear was that people finish the game before anyone would get to Radio.

	24-04-2004 23:00									#48
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don't mind its removal, but don't care overall, really.

	24-04-2004 23:24									#49
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Oneless tech to research. The main chenge is the removal of electronics as a pre requisite from motorised transport. That is the change that changes the shape of the industrial era, so that is more defined, with the choice if paths for the warmonger and builder.

Mind you, that's been in the AU mod for a while, so I've become desensitived to the change.

	25-04-2004 00:10									#50
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I never felt that Radar Towers meaningfully slowed me. So I guess the AI not wasting resources on building them for a while extra helps it.

	26-04-2004 04:43									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Oneless tech to research. The main chenge is the removal of electronics as a pre requisite from motorised transport. That is the change that changes the shape of the industrial era, so that is more defined, with the choice if paths for the warmonger and builder. Mind you, that's been in the AU mod for a while, so I've become desensitived to the change.

Just to clear things up, AFAIK, the removal of Radio was in DIRECT response to the changes made in the AU Mod. It was debated heavily, decided upon, and then alexman pushed it as a patch suggestion with Firaxis.

(and I'm a fan, btw! )

	26-04-2004 05:12									#52
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newbies question: what is the AU mod?

	26-04-2004 05:18									#53
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Apolyton University

	26-04-2004 12:54									#54
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I installed 1.20 and radio was gone.

I installed 1.22 and it is back.

Did something go wrong with my installation?

It gives on the start screen in the left corner 1.22.

	27-04-2004 01:46									#55
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Are you playing any of the mods that come with C3C (nocivtraits, fastciv, etc)? Those have not yet been modified (except by me) to remove the Radio tech. But if anyone would like them modified (so they don't have to do it themselves), I'd be happy to send them to you.

	27-04-2004 10:20									#56
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I have never researched Ironclad, and rarely research such techs as Nationalism, Communism, Facism and Espionage till I am almost in the modern age. Amphibious War and Advance flight I usually skip unless there is an one tile island city, then I have no choice but to get the marine to take it. Other techs are way more important and should be focused on. I welcome the removal of radio as it enable me to get through the industrial age quickly.

	30-04-2004 08:27									#57
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My ToE wonder typically went on the more expensive Atomic Theory tech and then straight into Electronics for my cheapo continent power. Now I can even get out of the industrial age quicker

And I still don't care about advanced flight

Good riddance to bad rubbish

	06-05-2004 01:17									#58
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I have to say I did not notice untill I saw this thread. I did notice the new ironclad tech, kinda worthless, if you ask me it seems better to streamline to destroyers or battleships. None of the computers researched in the games ive played, iirc.

	07-05-2004 01:43									#59
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Well, no-one can accuse us of consensus, at any rate.

I'm still undecided, but leaning towards indifferent.

	07-05-2004 21:47									#60
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quote: Originally posted by I Am Jeff I have to say I did not notice untill I saw this thread. I did notice the new ironclad tech, kinda worthless, if you ask me it seems better to streamline to destroyers or battleships. None of the computers researched in the games ive played, iirc.

Why does Ironclad even have its own tech? Surely Ironclads should just become available with Steam Power as before? Pointless