09-04-2004 04:35									#1
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The forum is nearly dead. Only three topics left (one of those is topped & can't vanish from the list).

Any ideas on how we can revitalise this forum and get more people reinterested?

Is reinterested even a word?

	09-04-2004 05:13									#2
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What if we conduct business here instead of on the Nation States forum?

One idea (I haven't thought this through too far) is to vote in the UN as a regional bloc. We could debate the merits of pending resolutions and decide (democratically) which way we should vote.

	09-04-2004 12:26									#3
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It'd certainly be easier to track the way older debates went if threads were used; the regional forums at NationStates.net push the old posts off the page.

	09-04-2004 15:40									#4
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quote: Originally posted by joncha One idea (I haven't thought this through too far) is to vote in the UN as a regional bloc. We could debate the merits of pending resolutions and decide (democratically) which way we should vote.

Do you mean all the nations in the region get a vote, and then everybody vote the same regardless of personal opinion?

quote: Originally posted by Crimson Sunrise It'd certainly be easier to track the way older debates went if threads were used; the regional forums at NationStates.net push the old posts off the page.

Sort of ties in with the above, if we debated the resolutions here then we're not going to lose any info. We tend not to discuss much more than that on the regional board at the moment.

Next time there is a proposal up for debate, I will start a thread here and post a link to the thread on the region board, perhaps?

	09-04-2004 15:55									#5
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Also, would there be any interest in an Apolyton region site, some of the most successful regions have them:

The Heartland

Meritocracy

Are just two examples I was able to find.

	09-04-2004 21:24									#6
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I think the forum here should be our region site, I don't see the need for a new domain.

As for the regional UN idea, it was just that... an idea. And, yes, under the original plan we would be compelled to vote as a bloc. The plus side of this is a united regional UN position and vigorous debate, the down side is groups in the minority may just leave the UN.

Plan B would be a forum to debate resolutions. However, if the groups decisions aren't binding it may just end up being one post each of "my nation will vote yes/no" and no debate.

Plan C is that votes are binding, but those opposed can abstain. This way at least you aren't "forced" to vote for something you don't like.

Plan D could be organized UN factions. We could form a progressive bloc, a law and order bloc, a bleeding-heart liberal bloc, etc. and have their positions binding on their (wholey voluntary) membership.

Whichever way we go, it should serve to revitalize this forum. I'm just throwing out these ideas for some debate.

	10-04-2004 04:39									#7
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Plan D sounds interesting except that some factions are probably going to wind up way more popular than others. It might be fun, though.

	10-04-2004 05:21									#8
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Wasn't suggesting abandoning the forum, just having the 'extras', like maps etc, handled elsewhere.

I think Plan D could be interesting, but I don't think that there are enough people playing at the moment to make it viable.

	11-04-2004 01:40									#9
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How about we start things off with a general UN thread (Plan B), and if we get enough interest and debate people can open up their own "Plan D" threads?

	11-04-2004 03:50									#10
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Okay, let's try it.
New proposal has come up today, so have started a thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=112617

	14-04-2004 02:26									#11
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I think the proposal thread is off to a great start. Thanks for the quick action, Ceroo.

For the next resolution, it may make things easier to make it a poll. The only drawback I can see is that non-members can vote... I know you can set a time limit for polls, but I'm not sure if they can be limited to members of certain civ-groups.

	14-04-2004 20:43									#12
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I'm back - at least for the time being...

I'll try not to just slip away in the middle of something for a while.
(I know I've done so at least a couple of times before.)

	14-04-2004 23:39									#13
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quote: Originally posted by joncha For the next resolution, it may make things easier to make it a poll. The only drawback I can see is that non-members can vote... I know you can set a time limit for polls, but I'm not sure if they can be limited to members of certain civ-groups.

I was thinking about that. You can't restrict to Civ groups AFAIK, but for UN members votes to count they must also post their opinions to avoid abuse of the voting system perhaps? But then that would negate using the poll in the first place. Erm, not sure. The present system works fine for now, but any suggestions for improvements are welcome.

quote: Originally posted by Guardian I'll try not to just slip away in the middle of something for a while.

I'm guilty of that also

	14-04-2004 23:47									#14
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Sounds good. As long as you're keeping track of votes, I guess it doesn't really matter... I just like the graphic representation a poll can give.

	15-04-2004 07:23									#15
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Well, if we found someone with far too much time on their hands, they could draw graphs in Excel or Word to represent how the votes were going...

	15-04-2004 08:39									#16
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*slams fist on desk*

General Frankychan demands that the revitalization of the NS forum be pushed for NOW!

Quoted by Colonel Frankychan at a national speech:

"The NationStates forum has been dead for quite a while now. I move that the great nation of Frankychanland lead the charge in the NS forum revitalization! Everyone everywhere will have their eyes set on My...err....the great nation of Frankychanland! Thanks to our efforts, we can and WILL cause the rebirth of the NS forum!!!!!!"

*cheers from the populace*

OOC: I refuse to join the UN for roleplay reasons.

Last edited by Frankychan on 15-04-2004 at 11:48

	16-04-2004 09:29									#17
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quote: Originally posted by ceroomaster Also, would there be any interest in an Apolyton region site, some of the most successful regions have them: The Heartland Meritocracy Are just two examples I was able to find.

As the Apolyton region I think Apolyton.net should be our web site. The forums and civgroup news page offer a lot and if we need more, and there is an active NationStates community, I am sure we could get additional pages.

	16-04-2004 11:14									#18
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The people of Basus are pleased to see so much activity on the forum and support plan "d" we also support the idea of a regional map !!!

	16-04-2004 12:23									#19
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There is already a regional map.

Some of those countries are unclaimed, and some which were once claimed no longer exist.

	16-04-2004 12:44									#20
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Indeed, so some revision is probably in order. Any volunteers?

	16-04-2004 13:35									#21
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//gets out Paint Shop Pro Trial CD//

I've got way too much time on my hands at the moment...

	16-04-2004 14:41									#22
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*slams fist on table*

General Frankychan demands that his nation be recognized by the mapmakers!!!

	16-04-2004 14:48									#23
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The Guardinian military would also like to know the location of Frankychanland. But of course just to make sure we don't accidentally blunder into it while conducting "routine exercises".

	16-04-2004 15:21									#24
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According to the map, Frankychanland is 30 and 31!!!

	16-04-2004 16:19									#25
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Yikes! We're neigbours!

Ummm... That puts both the allied fleet and the bulk of our other forces a little closer to you than I think they were supposed to be at this point...

30 and 31 together make a pretty huge country, but I can see that the location is an interesting one and that being an island of your own makes a lot of sense when you're running an isolationist dictatorship.

Unfortunately, this also means that the crisis has just escalated a little further, as a good bunch of those who escape from General Frankychan's new regime will be making their way to Guardinia, and Guardinia will definitely not send them back as requested.

By the way, as I looked at Frankychanland's description just now, I couldn't help but notice that "birds and children's kites are regularly brought down by anti-aircraft fire".

Now, what you do to "intruders" in your own airspace is your business, but you'd better keep that fire well clear of any Guardinian aircraft operating in international waters...

Last edited by Guardian on 16-04-2004 at 18:08

	16-04-2004 16:46									#26
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Basus would like spot 21

	17-04-2004 09:22									#27
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OOC: Blast! Someone else has 30 and 31. I've asked Rasputin to let me have 73 and 74. But if 30 and 31 isn't taken anymore, I would love to have them!

You should have seen my earlier summary's Guardian, I had a gameshow that had refugee's and immigrants to the country dodging landmines.

	17-04-2004 12:41									#28
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Ah, yes. Who Wants to be an Immigrant? I liked that game show too - I chose that option in that issue a long time ago.

	17-04-2004 13:57									#29
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See?! Great minds think alike!

My nation isn't accepting any more of your pathetic refugee's who wish to be a part of the glorious Frankychanland rebirth.

But nations that are friendly to Frankychanland will be exempt from playing Who Wants to be an Immigrant?

	17-04-2004 15:25									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Someone else has 30 and 31. I've asked Rasputin to let me have 73 and 74.

The rule was one spot per nation, and it's only fair that this should still apply. Otherwise, Ceroo with its population 9.5 times the size of Frankychanland should be allowed another 9 spots on the map? I would say that was unfair and rightly so.