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Tripledoc
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Fez, you have the moral equivalency of a highway robber.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
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everything ends in facism for fez.
"a light burned out in the kitchen"
fez: "we need to declare martial law while the terrorist lightbulb is "replaced". Set up an army ASAP "
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
Tripledoc, quit talking about yourself. You don't have any morals. You are the one who is in love with the illegal insurrection in Iraq. |
Can you point out exactly how the 'insurrection' is illegal?
Levee en masse falls under the protection of the Geneva convention.
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
It is against the Iraqi people and is not supported by a majority. It is illegal, as like the insurrection in Colombia. |
So the minute the 'insurrection' is supported by the majority, then you will support it?
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Tripledoc
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The Levée en Masse, August 23, 1793
In response to the dangers of foreign war, the Committee of public safety established a mass conscription (Levée en Masse) and succeeded in training an army of about 800,000 soldiers in less than a year. This was much larger than any army available to other European states, and laid the basis for Napoleon's domination of Europe. In addition to bringing out the creativity of the Committee of Public Safety, the Levée en Masse represents a turning point in the history of warfare. From now on, war was to become "total" involving all elements of the population, and all the reserves of the state.
1. From this moment until that in which the enemy shall have been driven from the soil of the Republic, all Frenchmen are in permanent requisition for the service of the armies. The young men shall go to battle; the married men shall forge arms and transport provisions; the women shall make tents and clothing and shall serve in the hospitals; the children shall turn old linen into lint; the aged shall betake themselves to the public places in order to arouse the courage of the warriors and preach the hatred of kings and the unity of the Republic.
2. The national buildings shall be converted into barracks, the public places into workshops for arms, the soil of the cellars shall be washed in order to extract therefrom the saltpeter.
3. The arms of the regulation caliber shall be reserved exclusively for those who shall march against the enemy; the service of the interior shall be performed with hunting pieces and side arms.
4. The saddle horses are put into requisition to complete the cavalry corps the draft horses, other than those employed in agriculture, shall convey the artillery and the provisions.
5. The Committee of Public Safety is charged to take all necessary measures to set up without delay an extraordinary manufacture of arms of every sort which corresponds with the ardor and energy of the French people. It is, accordingly, authorized to form all the establishments, factories, workshops, and mills which shall be deemed necessary for the carrying on of these works, as well as to put in requisition, within the entire extent of the Republic, the artists and workingmen who can contribute to their success.
6. The representatives of the people sent out for the execution of the present law shall have the same authority in their respective districts, acting in concert with the Committee of Public Safety; they are invested with the unlimited powers assigned to the representatives of the people to the armies.
7. Nobody can get himself replaced in the service for which he shall have been requisitioned. The public functionaries shall remain at their posts. |
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
Well listening to the left, means pulling out of Iraq. Tens of thousands would die. That's against all common logic and is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard of. |
Do you really think that anyone influential in the US would give a rats arse if there was a civil war in Iraq. the sanctions cost 100.000s of deaths and no one cared.
The 'evidence ' that a civil war would break out is unsubstantiated to say the least. Sunni and shi'a are working together now. I think their nationalism runs deeper than their religion.
If it is civil war that worries people, I am sure that the Iraqis would accept UN peacekeepers.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:35
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but as soon as a bombing happens in Spain its all "declare martial law" and **** like that. **** you for trying fez.
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
Oh please. It already has been provened that Saddam skimmed tens of billions from the oil for food program. Iraq had plenty of money and it wasn't the US's fault they died. |
Unfortunately, for the validity of your argument, the deaths had nothing to do with a lack of food. The deaths were primarily caused by filthy water. This because the UN sanctions denied the import of chemicals to clean the river water, and the fact that the US deliberatly bombed water cleaning facilities. This causeda lot of deaths. Add to that that the US used depleted plutonium shells, which has caused a significant rise in cancer.
Food was abundant, and Saddams welfare state handed out food to all Iraqis.
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Actually that's crap. Some elements may be working together but Sunni and Shi'ia eventually would fall into dispute and a civil war would break out. |
Reports say that Shi'a and Sunni are working together at the lowest level up till the highest level, from soldier to high priest.
Yes I am sure that the CIA will do everything possible to make sure that civil war happens. However sunni clerics have handed over authority to al-Sadr. And even if there was a civil war, what right would the US have to intervene? Did you fail to see the resemblance between the levee en masse in France in 1793 and the levee en masse in Iraq now?
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The UN?
Keep the UN out of this. They already did a bunch of corruption deals with Saddam, and some lightly armed men would not cut it. |
No you need helicopters and tanks to kill the people of Iraq, I understand that. But the UNis not there to fight but to police. The US have only trained around 2000 Iraqi cops, despite their responsibility to secure order. They have not taugt the US soldiers not to have men frisk iraqi women, nor that you don't wade into mosques with your boots on. There is criminal stupidity here.
The corruption deals, as you put it, were not to UN personel, but kickbacks to private businessmen. In fact most business men were happy dealing with the Iraqi, in that they were unusually clean, compared to other oil-producing nations.
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Somebody seems to be on some kind of medication, and it isn't me. Prozac?
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Originally posted by Tripledoc
Unfortunately, for the validity of your argument, the deaths had nothing to do with a lack of food. The deaths were primarily caused by filthy water. |
This did not happen in the Kurdish controlled regions and in fact things were better off.
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This because the UN sanctions denied the import of chemicals to clean the river water, and the fact that the US deliberatly bombed water cleaning facilities. |
No the US was not bombing water cleaning facilities. It bombed chemical plants, as in 1998. And besides Saddam managed to build dozens of palaces and several yachts with the billions he shaved off the Iraq Oil for Food program.
http://www.aijac.org.au/updates/Oct-02/181002.html
"This Update includes three extremely good articles on the question of Iraq, all from the excellent centre-left American political magazine, The New Republic. These three articles tell you almost everything you need to know with regard to the Iraq debate.
First, Robert Kaplan, the distinguished author and columnist argues that case that over-throwing Saddam Hussein has even more of a humanitarian justification than the intervention in Kosovo against Milosevic did. It is certainly the case that Saddam has killed more people.
Next, in an exemplary piece of journalism, Franklin Foer uncovers the myriad ways in which Saddam's Iraq successfully manipulates the Western media to show what it wants. It is particularly interesting to note points in the article that make it clear that this one reason that the claims about the supposed terrible effects of sanctions, which are almost certainly exaggerated, are almost never challenged in the mainstream press. (Note: Some of the methods on show here also have a bearing on Western coverage of the Palestinian areas.)"
You bought into old excuses.
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Add to that that the US used depleted plutonium shells, which has caused a significant rise in cancer. |
There is actually no conclusive proof for that.
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Reports say that Shi'a and Sunni are working together at the lowest level up till the highest level, from soldier to high priest. |
Wrong again. It is mostly some minor lower level cooperation. But it won't last.
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However sunni clerics have handed over authority to al-Sadr. And even if there was a civil war, what right would the US have to intervene? Did you fail to see the resemblance between the levee en masse in France in 1793 and the levee en masse in Iraq now? |
I'm not looking at Europe in the late 1700s, I'm looking at the story right now. And no I see no resemblence. We are in a different era. We are not talking about Kings or what not. We are talking about a country that is going to get elections. Furthermore Al-Sadr is not in any religious authority position. He's not an ayatollah and he holds little religious importance. I think it is important as Robert Baer pointed out on Fox today, that Sistani must understand that Sadr is not helping his cause.
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No you need helicopters and tanks to kill the people of Iraq, I understand that. |
To kill those who use suicide attacks to try to bring back a deposed dictator. You want the Iraqi people to kill each other. That's your agenda.
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But the UNis not there to fight but to police. |
Yeah we seen how many times the UN failed. You just don't know how to look at the past now can you?
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The US have only trained around 2000 Iraqi cops, despite their responsibility to secure order. |
That's highly laughable. Lets try more like 200,000 Iraqi security forces in total.
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They have not taugt the US soldiers not to have men frisk iraqi women, nor that you don't wade into mosques with your boots on. |
What? What are you trying to say? That made no sense.
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The corruption deals, as you put it, were not to UN personel, but kickbacks to private businessmen. In fact most business men were happy dealing with the Iraqi, in that they were unusually clean, compared to other oil-producing nations. |
No, the corruption deals go all the way up to Kofi Annan and his son in particular. There was no way Kofi Annan wouldn't know something like that was going on under his watch. And the French had a major hand in it too, somewhere in the range of $100 billion dollars from what I heard.
Your opinion is laughable and false at best.
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
You want the Iraqi people to kill each other. That's your agenda. |
I resent that statement, and will respond in kind, if you so permit.
En garde.
Your agenda seems to be to protect an increasinlgy unstable position, by screaming for more people to be killed and maimed. You have continously been calling for martial law, court martials, escalation, genocide against the Iraqi people, murder of children, and on and on. Your mind is fixated on violent solutions to advance your twisted political mindset.
It must basicly bound in some sort of sexual inadquacy on your part. Is one of your testicles missing, or are you a repressed homosexual? Did a muslim girl reject your sexual advances? Do you like to swoon over Wagner. Does visions of executions and torture turn you on?
The sad thing is that you are probably in line with the perverts who control US foreign policy.
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:35
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What's the matter? You can't respond to the rest of my post?
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Originally posted by Tripledoc
Your agenda seems to be to protect an increasinlgy unstable position, by screaming for more people to be killed and maimed. |
I'm not screaming for more people to be killed. I want to get a deal done with both the Shi'ias and Sunnis because it is in their best interests. You are misstating my views and you are the one who wants the Iraqis to kill each other. I want a resolution. I believe peace is at hand.
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You have continously been calling for martial law, court martials, escalation, genocide against the Iraqi people, murder of children, and on and on. |
That's some laughable crap. Are you losing your eye sight or are you drinking some kind of alcoholic beverage of some sort too much? I am not calling for martial law, I'm calling for stability with minimal bloodshed. I want Iraq to be ruled by a stable government, a fair government and a government that treats all of its citizens in a fair manner. I'm not for genocide against the Iraqi people, nor am I for the murder of children, you braindead sot. I wanted Saddam removed for those reasons.
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Your mind is fixated on violent solutions to advance your twisted political mindset. |
Again very laughable. I already proved I'm willing to negoiate a solution to this issue.
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It must basicly bound in some sort of sexual inadquacy on your part. |
You are the one with the sexual inadequacy. So If I am for staying the course in Iraq, I have this? You are seriously messed up and should consider prozac or some type of medication.
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Is one of your testicles missing, or are you a repressed homosexual? |
I'm in fact very open about my sexuality. I'm as gay as it comes.
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Does visions of executions and torture turn you on? |
I have never stated such things. I wanted Saddam removed because he was executing and torturing his own people.
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The sad thing is that you are probably in line with the perverts who control US foreign policy. |
You are the one who wants millions of people to die world-wide because of leftist arrogance. I want the people in this world saved from arrogance such as your own.
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Tripledoc
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You know your lack of historical knowledge is shocking. It did not occur to you that I was giving the psychological profile of Hitler.
As for responding to what you have transcribed from Fox, I don't see the point.
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Tripledoc
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I set you on ignore now. Ok. Now shut up.
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