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Some of them may wisen up, but unfortunately ignorance and generalities often run wild in times like these.
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I could barely get a word in edgewise, and when I did, I was almost immediately shouted down by a significant number of fanatics. I'm pretty sure they didn't even hear or care what I had to say. |
A good thing to do here is to stand on the table, and stare people down.
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You should be happy that people are so sleepy, because that means that you will get good grades, if the teacher is ok and the grading is curved.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
I thought you were a Mormon. |
No.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Utah is a nice, peaceful place with a nice healthcare system. A good place to raise children.
Much better than bad cities like New York or LA or Chicago or somesuch.
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St Andrews, Scotland.
Dec 1999
time: 05:35
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Originally posted by Oerdin
I must say it is a much more violent religion then the Christianity of the New Testiment (I.E. the part about Jesus and his Apostiles). |
Even the apocrophya about Jesus returning to scourge Babylon, or even that wacko book of Revelations?
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The Koran starts out peaceful enough but as Mohommed becomes more powerful it gets more and more vitriole and much more punitive. |
Utterly false! It makes me doubt that you've read the Koran.
Firstly the Koran isn't in chronological order, so there isn't a trend at all! It's more roughly ordered from largest passages to smallest.
It starts with the long and polemical passages and moves to the more abstract spiritual ones.
Besides, the passages that are generally accepted to have been written later are *less* vitriolic, more to do with the sunna of Medina.
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I also noticed how the good Prophet started claiming God's rules frequently changed when it was in Mohommed's interest for them to do so |
Oh dear. I think this argument was last suggested in by Gibbon in the 18th Century. If you had actually read the Koran, you would know that later scripture 'clarifies' early scriptures, it also supercedes it: The laws on alcohol start with something like "Allah dislikes drinkers" until in the later Suras is claims that "All alcohol is poison, not medicine it is haram". Nowhere are there sudden changes in 'policy'. In fact the Koran is a lot more consistent (in the trajectory of ideas) than the Gospels.
As far as Muhammad's later marriages are concerned, maybe they were to do with with 'massive lust' as medieval thugs have described it.
Or maybe it was due to the fact that he needed political marriages. According to the Koran these marriage exceptions were allowed because of the many widows created by persecutions and wars. There were described as an act of charity.
Also Muslims are normally only allowed 3 wifes, not four like you incorrectly describe. Except during times of war, where men are allowed to 'marry' widows to protect and support them, in much the same way Muhammad did.
Anything else? I don't think you've even read the Koran, in fact I think that the Army Chaplin's been hitting you over the head too much with his big book of medieval prejudices.
Just because you've made the same mistake as Kirkwaffen's classmates and confused the Arabs shooting at your ass with all Muslims doesnt mean that the faith is any more violent than any other.
What are the first 5 lines of the second sura of the Koran?
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09-04-2004 20:42
I could barely get a word in edgewise, and when I did, I was almost immediately shouted down by a significant number of fanatics. I'm pretty sure they didn't even hear or care what I had to say. And this is the next generation of adults in the US. 
). Even after reading legitimate papers on Islam, and even after watching legitimate documentaries on the subject, these students were still taking their ideas from things they saw on national news networks just hours or days after 9/11. Even an atheist talked about the "hundreds of people dancing in the streets". What's even more ironic is that the teacher just had us read a Newsweek piece from October, 2001 about why the Arab world hates us. It pointed out that the particular brand of extremism that the terrorists of 9/11 adhered to comes primarily from failed Arab states. I watched the guy sitting next to me read it during our last class. He ignored every word of it today.
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