13-04-2004 21:24									#1
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My parents are staunch democrats. They haven't voted for a republican in over 15 years, and now they are going to vote for bush. If they will vote for him, I don't see how kerry could possibly win...

	13-04-2004 21:25									#2
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Hmm, cause 2 votes won't make a difference even in a battleground state?

	13-04-2004 21:27									#3
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Nice one.

	13-04-2004 21:29									#4
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i think i was trying to establish the potential for a trend, not say that two votes are going to decide the election, but whatever

	13-04-2004 21:30									#5
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I'll probably be voting for Kerry, so there's no way that he could possibly lose.

	13-04-2004 21:37									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak My parents are staunch democrats. They haven't voted for a republican in over 15 years, and now they are going to vote for bush. If they will vote for him, I don't see how kerry could possibly win...

Haven't voted republican in over 15 years... translation: they voted for Ronnie. Which would make them Reagan Democrats.

While there certainly were a lot of those, I would think this means they fail to qualify as "staunch" democrats.

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	13-04-2004 21:38									#7
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Hmm, cause 2 votes won't make a difference even in a battleground state?

Maybe but if Kaak's situation occurs for a lot of people then it could make a difference.

	13-04-2004 21:39									#8
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So if we find a story of two people that are staunch republican lanning to vote for Kerry, all is right?

	13-04-2004 21:41									#9
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What's their reasoning Kaak? Brain damage?

	13-04-2004 21:44									#10
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My father is as rock-ribbed Republican as they come. He's voted republican in every presidential election since he could first vote in 1952. This year he's voting for Kerry.

I'm a white, middle aged, college educated, fairly well off, life long Republican, and I too am voting for Kerry.

George W. Bush's use of the political, economic, and military power of the United States to pursue a personal vendetta in Iraq is contrary to our national interest and absolutely inexcusable.

	13-04-2004 21:45									#11
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There ya go - there's your two. All is well.



-Arrian

	13-04-2004 21:51									#12
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So the whole election now verges on whomever can now come with their disaffected party members first!

come on people get cracking!

On a complete sidenote- my famly, even though we are all democracts, recieve all these republican party letters, we got a free pic of Bush the elder for his 80th birthday, we got the "republican party census", and a host of other fundraising pieces-like invitations to dine with Cheney and the pioneers if we only give so much money. It is all sent to a non-existent human being (under my mothers middle name and last name)..And all of this cause ym stepdad's company "asked" everyone to donate a few hundred dollars to the Pataki campaing in 2002.

It's all very interesting.

	13-04-2004 21:54									#13
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No need to fear everyone! I am still voting for Bush... all is right with the world.

	13-04-2004 21:54									#14
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:vomit:

	13-04-2004 21:55									#15
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Yup...we though for a moment you might be a Larouche fan.

	13-04-2004 22:00									#16
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I know a black conservative who's voting for Kerry, no NYAH!

	13-04-2004 22:03									#17
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No matter of political views, without Condi Rice and Bush giving the boot to extremists in the US I hardly imagine the chaos you could have experienced by letting Afghanistan and Iraq in the hands of dictators

	13-04-2004 22:04									#18
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I love it when people post deeply biased asumptions and think them self-evident.

	13-04-2004 22:05									#19
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I've noticed that more people who tend to vote Republican will vote for Kerry than the other way around (take the folks in this forum for instnace).

	13-04-2004 22:07									#20
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Personal anecdotes aside, polls show that more Dem's plan to vote for Bush than the other way around. Americans are so stupid.

	13-04-2004 22:07									#21
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quote: I love it when people post deeply biased asumptions and think them self-evident.

quote: I've noticed that more people who tend to vote Republican will vote for Kerry than the other way around (take the folks in this forum for instnace).

	13-04-2004 22:11									#22
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I'm contradicting his anecdotes with my anecdotes, bright guy.

	13-04-2004 22:16									#23
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quote: I've noticed that more people who tend to vote Republican will vote for Kerry than the other way around (take the folks in this forum for instnace).

He is posting an observation of his-NOT an assumption, like the following:

quote: No matter of political views, without Condi Rice and Bush giving the boot to extremists in the US I hardly imagine the chaos you could have experienced by letting Afghanistan and Iraq in the hands of dictators

	13-04-2004 22:35									#24
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I can't vote here yet, but if I could I'd vote for Bush. Back in NZ I voted for the Green party. Therefore Bush will win.

	13-04-2004 22:43									#25
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I guess I don't understand the difference between an assumption and an observation as I think/notice that most assumptions are based off of observations, and this leads to actions (which are most important, IMO)

	13-04-2004 22:43									#26
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Kerry has no chance to win in Texas. No one would dare a doubt.

	13-04-2004 23:03									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I guess I don't understand the difference between an assumption and an observation as I think/notice that most assumptions are based off of observations, and this leads to actions (which are most important, IMO)

An assumption is one step beyond an observation:

An observation, as the name implies, is stating something you have observed. ie, Lots of red cars today.

An assumption takes an observation, and through the lense of opinion, drafts a statement of "fact". ie. There must be a clown convention in town (since clowns drive red cars..no?)

	13-04-2004 23:35									#28
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I'll probably vote for Bush- even though I can't stand Ashcroft, or Rumsefeld for that matter.

And my state is a battleground state- whatever that means.

We were a close one. And one of the last states to finish counting votes in the 2000 election. Our 4 electoral votes could have made Gore president.

	13-04-2004 23:43									#29
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I am voting Bush. If the democrats offered a decent alternative, I would consider voting democrat...for the first time ever. Kerry, IMO, is the greater of two evils.

	13-04-2004 23:45									#30
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who would be a decent alternative?