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Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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1. I am not an officer on this ship, hence my wage is not in relation with my rank. I am a civilian.


True. You are even higher in stature, emphasising my point. Or are you saying that a simple crewman would have more holidays and wage than a senator?

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I haven't had any means of control on the ship. The control of the ship was passed according to the hierarchy (and it may even fall down to you if you continue killing officiers like that), and I haven't any say about it, simply because these military affairs are out of my juridiction.


This point was, as I said, far-fetched and I don't see it as an integral part of my argument. Even if you could get control of the ship, it'd be rather meaningless since it has no bearings on whether or not you can off people. Perhaps you just picked the officers on random.

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3. I am a member of the Earth senate, and as such, the HongHu empire would have never trusted me such a potent (and potentially destructive) technology. Even if I had been envoyed to HongHu, I would have been monitored in this regard. And my middle-aged self is much easier to monitor than a young intrepidic shuttle pilot


But to become a senator, one usually has connections. More often than not, suspicious connections. Of course the HongHu Empire didn't actually give it to you, my gift implication was a simple suggestion. HongHu would've probably recalled an Earth senator getting such technology, anyway.

Nor would it be a point of monitoring the individual, since you'd be sitting in your office while whoever it is you've hired is fetching you the goods. Slipping in a shuttle just like that, however, I figure would be rather complicated.

Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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you missed some clues in the stories


Ooh, gotta read the first thread again, I usually just skimmed the stories themselves.

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would have been interesting to see what you made of the clues people "ate"


I believe neither I or Spiffor have posted any clues, so the possibility of either of us withholding an incriminating one is the same.

Skanky Burns is offline Skanky Burns
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I don't think Jam was trying to implicate you there. He was saying he would have been entertained from your analysis of all the clues if whoever got them bothered to post them.

Hercules is offline Hercules
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Good attempt at an analysis Kassi, but your track record in reaching correct conclusions is dismal. So heaven help the Ass Aployton if you're in the last three, unless you a) obtain remarkable insight or b) are the Mafia yourself, in which case heaven help the Ass Apolyton.

Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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Hercules, this is the second time I've perused the clues to a length. Hardly a "track record".

The last time the clues weren't really pointing to anyone in particular the same way they are here, so I went with actual voting behaviour instead of the clues. Plus I had a lucky streak going. But that was a huge mistake. This time, I'm certain.

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Spiffor is already so aged that the doctors have given him only a couple of hours more to live. It's not such a big deal if he dies an hour or two earlier. He would have died soon anyway.

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The last time the clues weren't really pointing to anyone in particular the same way they are here ...


I don't think the clues are pointing anywhere. Not then, not now, not ever while Jamski is cooking.

Tuberski is offline Tuberski
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I'm getting tired of the same old people making it to the end.

This will change next game!



ACK!

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The best bit of this game for me is when people analyse the clues.

-Jam


What would be the point of that?

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Well when I played detective in a previous game I was able to figure it all out. Shame I'm dead really.

alva is offline alva
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You have a positive ID this time?

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Well when I played detective in a previous game I was able to figure it all out. Shame I'm dead really.


When was this Doc? Can you give me a hand now? I would appreciate your help. Naturally, I'll take the credit

alva is offline alva
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Hey, stay in caracter, will you !!

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I cannot claim to have solved this mystery. But then last time mine and Vlad's lives depended on me choosing correctly, so I had a little incentive.

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HongHu, sorry, but then again you did vote for me.


Was I right though?

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If this game ends over the weekend, Like many do.
SOMEONE PLEASE save me a spot in the next one. I've missed a game that way.

Jonny is offline Jonny
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Hmm... the clues point to Spiffor, but I still feel that Theben is a possible suspect as well. After all, as Weapons Officer he could be a collector of fancy, hi-tech weapons. Of course, Theben won't vote for himself, which means there's no chance of him being voted out this time, so I'll have to go with Spiffor.

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OK Jamski, 3 votes for Spiffor.

It's time to waste him.

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If this game ends over the weekend, Like many do.
SOMEONE PLEASE save me a spot in the next one. I've missed a game that way.


You're not the only one!

Jamski is offline Jamski
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Episode whatever : The End is nigh

Ok, Spiffor dies from lack of a spacesuit and that small little fact that airlocks are lacking doorhandles on the outside.

BUT!

Someone on board still has the superaging device in their pocket...



I'm waiting for orders again, but since my dad is here, don't expect anything speedy.

-Jam

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I believe neither I or Spiffor have posted any clues, so the possibility of either of us withholding an incriminating one is the same.


OK Kassi, would you now be so kind to include those clues you withheld earlier?

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Oh, I'm not getting the PM pop-ups anymore

It seems Jonny should have died of old age some time ago.

Just 3 left :

Kassiopeia
Theben
ADG

code:
mafia
Name Position Status
rah Entertainments Officer Dead - Crew
Hercules Captain Dead - Crew
gjramsey Navigation Engineer Dead - superannuated
GhengisFarb Holodeck Engineer Dead - became HongHu
HongHu Attractive Alien Female Dead - crew
alva 2nd Officer Dead - superannuated
Tuberski Head of Security Dead - superannuated
Guynemer Intelligence Officer Dead - superannuated
Jonny 3rd Officer Dead - Superannuated
Zopperoni Aide to Captain Hercules Dead - crew
Theben Weapons Officer Alive
Kassiopeia Shuttle Pilot Alive
Doc Medical Officer Dead - crew
FlameFlash Ship's Chaplain Dead - superannuated
Mart7x5 Chief Engineer Dead - superannuated
Scatty Bums Recreational Operations Engineer Dead - crew
Vlad Antlerkov Communications Officer Dead - neck broken
ADG Food Prep Assistant Alive
General Ludd 1st Officer Dead - superannuated
Urban Ranger Hull Maintainance Techicican Dead - crew
Spiffor Federation Government Representative Dead - crew
Jon Miller Data Sorting Officer Dead - superannuated
Frozzy Security Guard Dead - crew



Yes, just the final 3, one of whom can age the other two by 1,000 years!

-Jam

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Yes, just the final 3, one of whom can age the other two by 1,000 years!

-Jam


Why not 5000 years?

Did Doc initially lie?

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The batteries can only be recharged on HongHu Prime *shrugs*

Who notices the plot holes in ST?

-Jam

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Geeks with no lives. But why are people here noticing plot holes?

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OK, time to put cards on the table. Kassi did it.

The clues point at him. The first clue was in Jamski's text describing the first kill. Captain Hercules mentioned trips to undisclosed destination organised by Kassi.

Second clue was in the same text about smuggling. Kassi smuggled illegal liqueur for Skanky.

The one who smuggles is also very skilful in thefts, so a couple of other clues reporting various thefts all pointed at Kassi. Particularly the one about the stolen key to the armoury. Why would a Weapons Officer (Theben) need to steal keys to the armoury?

Several cross-linked clues about the nature and origin of the aging technology indicated it was firstly stolen from HongHu Empire and secondly that HongHu Empire is a favourite destination for men seeking entertainment. This coupled with previously known trips Kassi is arranging for the officers revealed the destination of those trips.

But it all became clear to me only after the docking accident which was caused by Kassi himself. Who would have wanted to silence the famous detective if not mafia?

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And there is also Kassi's behaviour under pressure. He didn't include some of the clues he wasn't able to interpret in a way to incriminate somebody else.

But the key argument in this matter is, like always, post stats analysis. I conducted this analysis a week ago, but didn't want to present its results for two reasons.

First, people are very sceptical concerning post stats as they think this can be faked. However, so far, in each of my two previous games, post stats have been proven to be indispensable to eliminate a number of suspects. Remember, post stats can't prove someone is guilty, but they can prove someone is innocent.

Second, in mafia 2, I published my findings very early and Comrade Tassadar went through my list killing all people I marked as innocent. I wanted to avoid that.

So, what is the conclusion of post stats? We have 2 spammers alive (ADG and Theben) and one moderate poster (Kassi). Spammers are best for post stats analysis cause they never miss a post when they are online. Initial analysis of the first kill revealed ADG's innocence (he wasn't online between two Jamski's posts). Theben on the other hand was, but he was offline 6 days in a row during last week. Kassi was online in the incriminating period.

This leads to the conclusion ADG and Theben couldn't have done it, so Kassiopeia must have done it.

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The batteries can only be recharged on HongHu Prime *shrugs*

-Jam


Maybe the batteries will run out?

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Hey ljcvetko that's not bad reasoning and fits in with my deductions.

 
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