20-04-2004 07:55									#31
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i guess no one else except us looks here any way

	20-04-2004 08:30									#32
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After turn 176 sent.

The Vikings counter-attacked with an elite Archer at Stockholm and killed the Horsemen but did not get any catapults as they were moved out of range last turn. They did however win the battle and got a Great Leader that retreated into Stockholm. If more units are present at Stockholm then this will be more than the catapults and currently three Russian Horsemen maybe able to handle if the Great Leader forms an army at Stockholm..

DyP turn 1 sent.

The Texans were most fotunate and had a rice patty in a riverplains right next to their starting location. Austin was settled just northeast of the rice patty and in between some hills and rivers. There are some fruit bearing trees to the northwest just out of range of the small starting cities limits but once the city grows there will be both fruit and rice for the citizens to eat.

To the south the Rangers found some corn and a coastline that looks promising for the Texans second city site. A very good start for the Texans.

Remember the Alamo!!!

The Armitages were not as lucky as the Texans and started searching for a better city site for their first city that included some fish, fruit, corn, or rice but none could be seen. Their wanderings lead them to the shores and they might settle there but there will be a food shortage quickly if they do that without the bonus food supplies.

	20-04-2004 08:36									#33
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turn 177.

Australians fighitng hard for vikig capitla meeting many strong defenders.

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Australians are lazy and settled immediatly . Looking now to improve the local land they begin learning new skills.

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Brisbanites too are even more lazy and settled immedaitly...

They too looked to the heavens for help as they build their first houses but have no way of making the farms they need to grow...

	20-04-2004 08:45									#34
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Hope you get farming and get lucky otherwise the starting cities are size 2 max. until more food producing tiles are revealed.

Irrigation does not come until after the ancient age is almost up at Fuedalism and crop rotation.

Might want to restart?

	20-04-2004 09:11									#35
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After turn 177 sent.

Cataults are getting better aim and reduced the victorious Elite Archers down to 1 hp before the Horsemen attacked making the battle a sure victory. A new Archer entered Stockholm and probably will be loaded as an Army but lets hope the city defenders are thin from the constant Russian Horsemen harassment attacks from the previous turns. We will see if the Horsemen gets attacked this turn or not then we will know for sure.

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The Texans began work on a new Ranger unit and the existing one continued down the coast revealing two sources of crabs for the new coastal city site after it grows once founded. Seems like a long way away from the new cities potential founding right now.

The Armitages decide to settle the coastal tile by the river instead of wandering around searching for more food producing terrain. Hopefully when they research farming then the wheat and corn will appear near the city site.

	20-04-2004 09:11									#36
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why did they limit the city sizes ?? hardly doubling the pleasure with that...

	20-04-2004 09:12									#37
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well keep playing to just learn the ways of the game,,, i dont mind

	20-04-2004 09:26									#38
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City sizes are limited at the beginning of the game to simulate that civilizations flourished early around good food sources. Other sites are ok but will not allow rapid expansion until better methods of farming or domestication of animals is researched.

The years go by slower though in the ancient era so it will not be too long before getting the better food producing techs.

The settlers are also different. No settling cities in desert or tundra tiles and starting settlers do not go over mountains nor through jungles. The hardy variety that cost more do go over mountains and through jungles and the hardy cost you only 2 pop points while the regular cost you 3 pop points. Impossible to build the cheaper variety until three pop points because of food restrictions.

Earlier tribal Government reduces the tile outputs by one point for every tile producing three or more points. So you need a 4 food producing tile to get beyond size two cities when you can build the cheaper settler units. After the discovery of Dynasticism it gets easier as the grasslands give up two food and the other food bonus tiles start to pay off.

Just remember,

No going through jungles or mountains with early settlers.

No settling on tundra nor desert tiles.

Research towards Dynasticism but get the Farming and Domestication early for revealing better food producing bonus tiles.

	20-04-2004 14:25									#39
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well that means the game is going to be useless then . if you cant get citys above size 2, but need above size 3 for settlers then a 2nd city wont happen....

I think i not gonig to enjoy this game at all...


unless i see a way of enjoying this i might cancel it...

	20-04-2004 14:55									#40
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Naw, don't cancel play on it gets much better later. You just have to build the more expensive settlers first until you get Farming or Domestication. The more expensive ones cost you 2 pop points.

Important to find good food for very early game expansion. Everyone else is in the same boat including the AIs unless they got lucky early on.

If you want a restart I understand. Better to look for food first before settling like normal on the first turn.

	21-04-2004 02:38									#41
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178
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Australians facing largr oposition than first thought. Vikings seem to be able to build new defenders every turn !!!


DyP
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Did nothing this turn

	21-04-2004 04:49									#42
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After turn 178 sent along with the DyP turn.

The Russian catapults moved back-up into positions to attack. Hopefully the Vikings are still too bus with the Aussies and have not built more than two Archers in Stockholm to counter-attack. We will soon see.

DyP turns.

Still very early only three turns in.

	21-04-2004 10:02									#43
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179
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Captured Capital and northern city. Sent maps to Russians.

Just the last few Viking citys left now.

DyP
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did nothing again

	21-04-2004 11:25									#44
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After turn 179 sent.

The catapults were 1 for 4 shots. Not too good but the Horsemen killed two Viking Spearmen to their one lost Horsemen. A good trade. All that remains in Stockholm is the Archer loaded into the Army of the Great Leader that escaped into the city a few turns ago. Thankfully the Archer was the only unit loaded into the army apparently instead of the two Spearmen and the Archer. Would have been a whole other story that way.

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Texas Rangers scouted some more down the coastline revealing some deserts and some more plains. Just like parts of Texas.

The Armitages are stuck without another unit until their scout is built to begin searching out better food sources while waiting for the Farming advance.

Still very early.

Another tip is that the temples and religious buildings come later and require incense also except for the shrine but it does not give culture and does not require incense. Get the Masonry advance after the Farming and Domestication advances as the Monument is the only early game culture producing city improvement to expand your borders. Until then build your civ specific bonus unit of the counselor, wisemen, etc.

For industrial civs the serfs do not cost maintanance. So instead of sitting around at pop 2 waiting to grow or not wanting to spent that much time building a settler when already at 2 pop build a serf instead and then start the settler at pop 1 after the serf. The serf can build roads to luxuries including gold is a luxury and make colonies to claim them before others do as the civs cannot expand their borders as fast as the regular game. Also serfs are good for building watch towers which are very useful as the Barbarians are very tough at 2/2/1 for the Sword wielding kind and then 4/3/2 for the Riders. Very nasty fellows. With watch towers revealing the terrain around them on hills and mountains especially then the Barbarians will not encamp with in the sighting range. This gives you some room to grow without being constantly harassed by the much stronger DyP Barbarians.

Enough for the earlier game tips.

	21-04-2004 18:51									#45
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180
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Still no sign of land anywhere so the navy continues exploring, looks like we might need better ships as the small travel distance of our galelys is prety useless.


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Did notihng again... might be a lot of these type of turns.. No exploration to do, no movement ...

	23-04-2004 01:32									#46
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After turn 180 and DyP turn sent.

Apparently the Army at Stockholm has more than Archers in it as when attacked by an Elite Horsmen it defeated the Horsemen without the Horsemen hvaing the chance to retreat. Very unfortunate as his single companion Horsemen is gravely wounded and protecting the 4 catapults that unsuccessfully bombarded the city before the Horsemen assault failed.

We are afraif that the catapults will most likely become Viking property until liberated by the forces sailing Noth from the central Russian cities. Hopefully they arrive in time or the Aussie Midieval Infantry and Knights will appear riding hard charging down from the central Mountains of the Nordic lands. We pray for the Aussies arrival.

DyP

Still early turns for both.

The Texans Rangers are the only moving unit scouting the country side right now.

	23-04-2004 02:05									#47
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Aussies crush next viking city and head south to the new viking capital.

Still no sign of land any where, navy cruising along coast.

	23-04-2004 02:06									#48
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First Champion built both civs...

	23-04-2004 15:05									#49
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Champions are cool early like attack 2 warriors with extra hitpoints so they do not die too easily.

Alot of the units have modified number of hitpoints to reflect tougher units. Cool addition to the game makes you think more.

	24-04-2004 06:40									#50
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yeah lots of choices, been playing a single player game and its hard to know what to build in citys and what to research

	24-04-2004 10:51									#51
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Yeah my first game of this mas modded into a 362x362 map but bythe time i got to the 1000AD it would take upto 30min a turn or more to process ouch.

Not going with maps that big.

The choices are ppretty cool and do make more sense when you think about them though. Alot of effort and thought apperantly went into this one.

	24-04-2004 11:02									#52
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hmm mwheres the game !!!

	24-04-2004 11:06									#53
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I will play now and be back in one second. You know since we are noth on-line and even though I have AOL we should at least attempt a MP direct ip game if we can do it off of game spy.

Let you think about that and I will play my turns. OK.

If i didn't send them already cannot remember but will find out quickly and be right back. ok.

	24-04-2004 11:16									#54
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OK just resent my last save of the two games.

	24-04-2004 12:11									#55
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OK my fault had the same files in a different .zp file fixed that now better.

After turn 181 sent along with DyP

The Russinas raise into a battle cry and set the catapults to launch their missiles into Stavenger and are astonded that they yet again survived another Viking counter-attack. After lauching the assault the Aussie knights rode over the mountains to finish the work of the bombarbing cataputs. Finally the Nordic lands might see peace under the leadership of the Russian and Aussie flags.

Discoverd Gunpowder and now researching Printing Press and will have that in 10 turns. so we need to swap so after education the Russians canresearch Banking to get to Democracy after going through Navigation.

DyP
still too early for much,

The Texans Rangers found some floodplains and some mountains to the south.

The Armitages are hopelessly behind without a good food source.

	25-04-2004 04:48									#56
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Viking emissary arrives in Aussie camp waving white flag and pleads for mercy, being a benevolent society, the message is sent back to Aussie HQ and agreement is reached. Peace is guaranteed provided the Vikings maintain only the one city . Extermination is halted awaiting there behaviour.

Aussie scientists are sacked due to lack of research.

Aussie Navy gives up looking for new lands , appears our galleys are not capable of finding new worlds. Awaiting research into better ships.

	25-04-2004 04:49									#57
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Champion moves to hut only to discover the hut is empty. never had that happen to me so early in a game before, things definatly not looking good.

Nothig else happened ..

	25-04-2004 08:30									#58
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After turn 182 sent.

The catapults pull back from the assault on Stavenger as the defending Horsemen need to heal before continuing the assault when other Russian forces arrive in the Nordiclands.

10 turns to Leonardo's Workshop around the same amount of time to link to the iron supplies either in the Nordic mountains or the Siberian islands in the frozen tundra and mountains to the southwest.

3 Turns to the Sistine Chapel this should put most cities into a we love the Czar celebration. Plans are being made now by expectant merchants to stock-up their party supplies and the liquor and wine vendors are producing non-stop for the coming continuing reveling by the elated and consequently very productive Russian peoples.

9 Turns to Printing Press allowing the news of the growing empires expansions and history to be printed into books. These books cheaply created and made available to the common man eliminate the learning from only the scrolls restricted to the priests and elite currently. Surely this will make the common man have more voice in society.

	25-04-2004 08:33									#59
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Aussies send troops in to monitor the last remaining bastion of Vikings.

Navy sent on suicide mission into the dark... Fingers crossed we may be safe all depends on the Random numbers....

	25-04-2004 08:34									#60
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Again not much to report. First road built, worker moves on to explore.

Champions head to mountains to see further....