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GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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The Matter Transmitter

The first living thing to go through the device was Ouro_827. I still keep him, in fact.
As you can see, the damage was not so great as they say.

-- Function Geo Beta-2,
"See How They Run"

Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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* Snowflake wonders in. She appears to be sad and confused.

I couldn't find my grapefruit thread in the OT. What did they do with it?

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Eat it?

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* FlameFlash munches on grapefruit-looking sponge of XenoRum.

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* GeoModder prepares a grapefruit cocktail.

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"Mary had a little lamb
little lamb, little lamb
whose fleece was white as snow"
Last Transmission - Function Geo Beta-2

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"So the last Cyborg went to the alcoven, closed his eyes and left this world in harmony with the planet."
- Lady Deirdre Skye, "The fall of the Matrix"

"When you see those cybernetic creatures working in the bauxit mines, deep beneath the densely populated bowels of Voltairograd, you wouldn´t believe they once dominated an entire hemisphere of this world."
- Foreman of the People´s Mining District Voltairograd 5

GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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"Mary had a little lamb
little lamb, little lamb
whose fleece was white as snow"
Last Transmission - Function Geo Beta-2



Did you check the PUT forum lately, Ouro?

Kody is offline Kody
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If life's standing still and your soul's confused
Jun 2003
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Just a psychiatry thoughts.

Has anyone ever thought deeply about the actions they take and why they take them? I’ve come to two possible conclusions that are possibly conflicting.

Firstly, that it’s impossible to actually understand yourself as every time you fully understand an aspect of yourself it changes from that understanding.

Secondly, by blinding believing in an attribute of yourself you can actually make that attribute come true. So for example if you believe that you are generous you will be generous. I’m guessing that’s also why sometimes certain events will break someone’s conception of themselves and they may have a change in the way they act.

The contradiction that perhaps isn’t a contradiction is that if you blindly believe that you are a certain way then you’ll be right and hence you do fully understand yourself. Possibly this contradiction could be resolved if the first statement isn’t true, but is instead that if you question who you are you then you change yourself and hence if you keep questioning who you are then you will never fully understand yourself as by questioning yourself you're constantly changing yourself.

I guess that means it is possible to change the things that you dislike about yourself by believing that you are able to change. Then doing things to convince yourself that you have changed, and once you've convinced yourself it becomes true.

Although I don't know if there are fundamental personality traits that cannot change. What I suspect instead is that if you convince yourself of a personality trait against your nature you'll be more uncomfortable about it than normal, but will still carry that personality trait that you believe you have.

This effect would explain why children will often act as their parents expect them to do, whether it's bad or good. This effect is more noticable as the children have a less fixed view of how their personality is.

I know what I want to change about myself. Be as hardworking as I originally and blindly believed myself to me before I started questioning myself. Also to be a little less beholden to what other people think of me, I think I overcompenstated when I decided to start caring.

Kody is offline Kody
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There's something else. I know there is, but can't figure out what's nagging me.

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Sometimes you have to truely believe for this to work. Tiger is good at drawing. I mean he drew a picture of my car when he was 2 year old and although it was rather simple it actually accurately captured that it was a hatchback. We always say that he is good at drawing, and he says it himself. When he is not happy he goes back to his room and draw a picture because he knows this is something he is good at. This has become a positive cycle.

But on the other hand, you really have to truely believe what you want to believe. I mean no matter how often I say to myself that I can wean from Poly I'm not going to be able to do it.

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There's something else. I know there is, but can't figure out what's nagging me.


You also have to have will power.

Kody is offline Kody
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Every action you take has feedback, consequences that you precieve as good and bad and that reinforces or changes how you act in the future.

This can causes concious or subconcious changes in your personality..... So the trick would be aware of subconcious changes and make the decision concious by thinking about. Either that or re-evaluate the things that you usually do and adjust to what you want every now and again.

This would explain why people drift from the archetypical personality types as their experiences can change the details of the way they act.

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Will power is a personality trait too Honghu.

But maybe it comes down to really believing that you can change. To do that either you have to accept the paradigm fully, or to prove it to yourself in a way that overrides your past experiences.

As for the drawing thing, that's not a personality trait, that's a skill of your son's.

I'm not arguing that if you believe that you can do something you can do it. Rather I'm thinking that the way you react and the things you decide to do are determined by the way you see yourself, and past experiences that reinforce or undermine the way you see yourself.

Snowflake is offline Snowflake
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It's all about positive and negative reinforcement sometimes. But it is easier said then done. Say if you are a layback person. You said to yourself that you want to be more active. So you tell yourself that you are active, and you become more active, and you actually enjoys being active. And you think you've been a successful active person. This reinforcement goes back and force and all is good. But one day, you think, phew I'm tired. Let me rest for a day. Then you rest, and you feel so relaxed. And then the next day you want to rest again. And before you know it, you become your layback self again.

Understand oneself is important. Reinforce the good traits and accept the not so good perhaps trait. Or don't view them as not so good. Live naturally is the best way to go. Don't live for others, nor for any kind of standards. Of course this attitude of mine has determined that I will never get Nobel Prize.

Kody is offline Kody
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Yeah yeah I know.

Still understanding things allows you to change yourself.

I used to not care must what anyone else thought, of course that made it a bit difficult to make new friends when my parents moved. Also my parents complained and started saying I was loser having no friends (yeah thanks mum and dad!!!). I got upset when my parents brought that up one too many times and was also kindof lonely during the breaks, so I went into the completely opposite direction. In retrospect I really overcompensated (I was 11 at the time), basically basing alot of things around finding acceptance and I made quite a few personality changes to myself.

Anyway to tell the truth just about my every action that you guys have seen has stemmed from finding acceptance.

The efforts in the Hive were because I liked the sense of community that used to be in the private forums and was making darn sure I wouldn't lose that. The posts explaining things in the strategy forum are because I made a personality change a while back to help people whenever I can.

The whining and grumping I sometimes show was mainly an effort to balance against any respect I was getting because I was worried that people would envy me and my experience is it is better to be average to gain acceptance.

The whole honor, and telling the truth thing, personality changes that people like.

There's only a things I can think of that doesn't seem to result from the set of personality changes I instigated. I usually have a soft spot for the underdog and hate seeing other people suffer. That I traced back to a primary school teacher that taught me about thinking what it is like to be in other people's shoes. Also from the same primary school teacher I have a strong aversion of all drugs and alcohol. So strong that my friends that drink haven't yet managed to get me to like alcohol even though they've made a fairly good effort at getting me to drink. I can also get quite stubborn sometimes, but thinking back my parents mainly told me I was stubborn and thinking back it was undeserving when they originally made those comments.

It makes you wonder how much of your personality is actually natural, or maybe I'm just different in that I was conciously changing how I act when I was quite young.

And why am I posting this all here, perhaps because it's fairly early in the morning, the fact that I know when people understand you they have an easier time accepting you, and also because I seem to have gotten used to working through thoughts and ideas on the apolyton forums.... must be all the strategy/idea posts I've put here.

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You people are scaring me... that's too deep for me to read in the early morning.... Geo, I'm not a PUT member, not authorized into forums.... But I'm pretty sure I know what you were talking of....

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Ouro: answered your question in AWP thread, and any CC member was authorized in the PUT forum upon request.
Don't know if it's still possible, since Archaic has disappeared.

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Kody:

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Go back to sleep tass.

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Check your PM's Geo... and sleep? its ten in the morning here...

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Kody:



LMAO

Tass:

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* Illuminatus looks angrily at Drogue, Geo and FlameFlash.
Ouro is correct. You have choice: pay the drinks and a fee for your behaviour or I call my locusts and mindworms.
And yes, my ultimate bouncers are humanoid, actually the most feared humans of all times. Do not force me to call upon them !

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That is nice of you Geo. Forget about that drink, you do not have to pay for it.

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And why am I posting this all here, perhaps because it's fairly early in the morning, the fact that I know when people understand you they have an easier time accepting you,


Well this may be partially true on Apolyton which seems to have a higher concentration of err... "unusual" characters, but my guess is that if you try to tell people in real life what you just told here, they'll just consider you some weirdo.

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Yeah I realised that there are benefits to being considered a weirdo here . Being normal here makes you stick out. Real life requires a different approach for fitting in.

Anyway in real life they have to figure you out for themselves, otherwise people get uncomfortable because they feel that by you telling them directly they have some great responsibility.

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Tassadar:

Those things just aren't good for you.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994920

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