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Should roleplaying be required
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Yes, roleplaying is good! 17 60.71%
No, interacting with others is bad. 4 14.29%
I am long, yellow and slightly bent. Roleplay that! 7 25.00%
Total: 28 voters 100%
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Democracy games are all about social interaction, teams of people playing with and against teams of people. A major avenue of this social interaction, particularly that occuring between different teams, is the roleplaying aspect.

Therefore I propose that each faction be required to roleplay in the next ACDG, and not treat this as just another PBEM game.

EDIT: Just to highlight that again, this is talking about factions as a whole doing the roleplaying, not forcing every individual to be doing roleplaying.

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I second this.

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Oh come ON! Don't make it even WORSE! This is exactly what helped kill the ACPSG.

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Roleplay is good!

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While I do prefer roleplaying for the social interaction of this and would really like it if people roleplayed (even just a little).

I would have to say 'No'. Making it MANDATORY for participants to roleplay is unethical, IM(NSH)O.

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The real problem is it's hard to force roleplay and people's ideas of roleplay may differ. Also some players really just aren't interested in roleplay as some people would define it.

Assuming everyone has the same idea of roleplay (might not be true), I think the best way to ensure roleplay in each of the teams is ensuring that there's a good balance of roleplayers and turnplayers in each faction. Unfortunately, it seems that roleplayers will tend to flock to certain factions while turnplayers will flock to other factions. So you get an inbalance of not only roleplay/game play ability, but also in activity of each faction.

Before putting up a blanket yes or no, perhaps it should be considered how making sure each faction roleplays will be implemented. I personally think the voting should be about taking measures to ensure roleplay, rather than having a ruling that will have results which are vague at best.


EDIT:
Additional note, you really need at least two turnplayers and two roleplayers in each faction minimum. This is because it's difficult to roleplay in your faction by yourself, and turnplaying can be extremely stressful without a backup/someone to help you.

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* MrWhereItsAt thinks briefly of a 'pick' system like for sports at school. Several Captains or Team Leaders are chosen, and they take turns in picking roleplayers or turnplayers from a list of interested parties.


Of course this would have to be tempered with getting a faction you like, but then again surely most factions are interesting enough for anyone...?

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While I do prefer roleplaying for the social interaction of this and would really like it if people roleplayed (even just a little).

I would have to say 'No'. Making it MANDATORY for participants to roleplay is unethical, IM(NSH)O.


Just think of it as a Police Action if it makes you feel better Frankychan.

To mandatory roleplaying I say: Yes

N.B. In response to Kody: I don't mind what people consider roleplaying, so long as they are doing it.

P.S. I also volunteer in advance for any "mandatory roleplaying position" in the Data Angels.

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The two biggest concerns for me are good roleplay, which I think this ACDG splendidly succeeded in. But what was lacking in this one was politicking, another critical aspect in democracy games. I’m all for roleplay, but I want to see more politicking in the coming ACDG since this one lacked it.

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You bring up a good point, Trithemius.

*thinks about it*

......Rrrrg! If I think about it in THOSE terms, I am in more support of it becoming mandatory. And that is sad.

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As George Orwell so wisely wrote :

4 legs Roleplaying good
2 legs Mandetory bad

And I agree

-Jam

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For clarification, I mean roleplaying as a team, I don't mean every post eveyone makes should be in character. I would really like to see all teams participating in the public forums.

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You bring up a good point, Trithemius.

*thinks about it*

......Rrrrg! If I think about it in THOSE terms, I am in more support of it becoming mandatory. And that is sad.


I am sure we can arrange a nerve-stapling if it would make you feel better...

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Ah... I didn't realise you were talking about spam

That's an excellent proposal, Skanky. We don't want another team "doing a Buster" in the new game, do we?

-Jam

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That's an excellent proposal, Skanky. We don't want another team "doing a Buster" in the new game, do we?


No names, fool!

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But what was lacking in this one was politicking, another critical aspect in democracy games. I’m all for roleplay, but I want to see more politicking in the coming ACDG since this one lacked it.


Do you mean by politicking the sort of 'public announcements' like in the main forum during the PEACE assimilation matter? That was a great roleplay indeed, and should surely be repeated.

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Required as teams yes, as characters no (or we lose even more players).

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Required as teams yes, as characters no (or we lose even more players).


I'll be trying to do it as a character, if it's all the same with you.

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So, if the outcome of this poll is what it looks like so far, we're forced to roleplay to join? That SUCKS!!!! It's all good if you want to, but to force it? No thanks.

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pww, the Eternal Hacker is on the loose...

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So, if the outcome of this poll is what it looks like so far, we're forced to roleplay to join? That SUCKS!!!! It's all good if you want to, but to force it? No thanks.


It sucks if you are roleplaying and noone else is, I can safely say that much. If someone is going to make choices based on the 'character' of the faction they are in, and others make their choices based solely on "what works best" according to the numbers then anyone who is 'roleplaying' is automatically at a major disadvantage.
I think that really sucks.

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So, if the outcome of this poll is what it looks like so far, we're forced to roleplay to join? That SUCKS!!!! It's all good if you want to, but to force it? No thanks.


Well, if you read the thread a bit more carefully, you'll see that no-one was suggesting individual members be required to roleplay to join; rather, each team would have to do at least some roleplay.

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Which I think is a good guideline, rather than a mighty rule that may not be broken!

Its not unreasonable that we expect the Gaians as a faction to show some respect for Planet, and to complain when we run FM or kill worms.

Its not unreasonable that the Spartans are obliged to look for a fight... and try to start one in the main forum...

And all that jazz.

Hey, it would even be cool if the Angels tried to hack the private forums...

-Jam

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Maybe not that last one... too much potential for trouble, there. Given the advantages of actually succeeding, it would be a bit hard to simply call it roleplay and leave it at that.

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Well, if you read the thread a bit more carefully, you'll see that no-one was suggesting individual members be required to roleplay to join; rather, each team would have to do at least some roleplay.


We do not want another ****** like faction again in new ACDG

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Could you rephrase that Obstructor? I don't understand what you mean.

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No names Skanky, therefore it is crypted. Think a bit , and you will understand.

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So, if the outcome of this poll is what it looks like so far, we're forced to roleplay to join? That SUCKS!!!! It's all good if you want to, but to force it? No thanks.



There is roleplay and there is roleplay.

While WIA hasn't updated his location for a while, you can still see the remnants, we roleplayed quite happily back in the days when GoW, and me in particular were burning down any city that smelled of the stench of the spanish in search of the cowardly MrWIA who incidentally poisoned and murdered my son. We played with locations and were having avatar wars for quite some time. That didn't detract from what the actual game was.

Shortly after joining this last game, I had a look at some public threads and was so smothered with roleplay I couldn't even tell what the hell was going on.

Roleplay and gameplay need to be inherently different, IMO. Information shouldn't become difficult to understand in the name of superfluous roleplaying elements. If I wanted to be playing roleplay, I'ld find some locals and sit down for some D&D. If, however, during the course of playing the game I feel like participating in a little roleplay, that should be my right as well.

Thus, it should be optional, welcome, but completely seperate from the actual game. IMO.

This sounds a little odd from someone advocating a faction that basically roleplays mercenaries, I know. I can't explain how confounding some public threads here were that added so much roleplay that the actual information became an abstraction rather than just information. That is what I want to avoid.

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If roleplay is meant to have an effect on the actual gameplay, I won't be joining this game. Obviously some people do like roleplaying, but it's not my cup of tea. For me this is a strategy game first and foremost, not a CRPG.

 
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