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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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As far as Israel is concerned Hamas has already taken the gloves off, and is doing everything they can anyway. Israel wont tolerate this, and will do whatever is necessary to destroy Hamas. |
And if nastier regimes have been unable to fully wipe out less popularly supported organizations, what makes Israel think the heavy hand of military strikes will finish off Hamas?
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Perhaps they dont think all strategies against terrorism can be fully evaluated based on "nastiness".
If anything there recent strategy is not to up the nastiness - theyre focusing on killing leaders, and are killing rather fewer civilians than they did in 2002. And of course they are, apparently, withdrawing from Gaza.
Dahlans motivations - I dont, know, just as i dont know his motivation for wanting to take over PA security forces under Abu Mazen, which also was risky. I suppose he wants power, and is evaluating the risks in grabbing it now versus waiting. Now Im not saying I know Dahlan is part of Sharons plan - I dont - but IF Sharon has a plan, I think it WOULD involve manipulation of Gaza politics, and it would thus be secret. I also suspect theres some intention to pressure Egypt to take control of at least some border points.
I dont know that this plan will work as intended - but i also think it doesnt make sense to dismiss it out of hand and pretend that the attacks on the Hamas leadership are just part of a contextless cycle of violence, when they are almost certainly part of a political plan.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by GePap
I support Sharon getting the hell out of the Gaza settlements, but it would be nice if
a. he would not retain control of the border with Egypt and still think Israel will have no more responsibilities to the Pals. there
b. Israel realized that no one in the PA is ready to manage Gaza, not in the current condition.
Gaza is Hamas' home for a reason-the crushing poverty and the preponderance of refugees over pre-48 families. While Israel has weakened Hamas as an organization, as a political force it remains as popular, and Dahlan has shown no base of support for him, and he has to worry about PA rivals and the Islamists and .... |
What are Israels responsibilities in Gaza?? To maintain order, protect law abiding residents from thugs, etc? AFAIK Israel doent have the ability to do that NOW - damn, if I was a lawabiding Gazan, I sure wouldnt rely on the IDF to protect me. Thats the whole point, to economize force by pulling the indefensible settlers out. And since the Palestinians are always saying how much they hate the settlements, etc well.....
Israel will still have security concerns in Gaza. Thats cause Israels concerns in the territories are fundamentally about terrorism into Israel, NOT about protecting the settlements. Ultimately this is about establishing that, and eventually following it up on the West Bank. Its far easier to start with Gaza from the POV of Israeli politics, cause the Gaza settlements are less emotional than even the remote West Bank ones. And MAYBE there is a belief that the political situation can resolve itself favorably in Gaza, creating a power base for a Dahlan-type.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:35
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
What are Israels responsibilities in Gaza?? To maintain order, protect law abiding residents from thugs, etc? AFAIK Israel doent have the ability to do that NOW - damn, if I was a lawabiding Gazan, I sure wouldnt rely on the IDF to protect me. Thats the whole point, to economize force by pulling the indefensible settlers out. And since the Palestinians are always saying how much they hate the settlements, etc well..... |
Israel controls trade in and out-so Israel has a big say in the economic life of Gaza, or will if they keep control of all entrance and exits.
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Israel will still have security concerns in Gaza. Thats cause Israels concerns in the territories are fundamentally about terrorism into Israel, NOT about protecting the settlements. Ultimately this is about establishing that, and eventually following it up on the West Bank. Its far easier to start with Gaza from the POV of Israeli politics, cause the Gaza settlements are less emotional than even the remote West Bank ones. And MAYBE there is a belief that the political situation can resolve itself favorably in Gaza, creating a power base for a Dahlan-type. |
Gaza certainly its the simplest place to start for Israel. It's also a shithole which the PA won;t me ready to control that well.
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