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Dec 2001
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How many Gods are there?
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Richelieu
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Gatineau
Dec 2001
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I should have started a thread.
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Richelieu
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Gatineau
Dec 2001
time: 00:35
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Originally posted by The diplomat
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Which one is it? Yours or theirs?
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:35
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
beeb reports the Imam is being expelled. |
From the BBC:
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France expels 'pro-beating' imam
France's interior ministry has ordered the expulsion of a Muslim cleric who advocated the beating of women.
Abdelkader Bouziane, an imam in eastern Lyon, was taken into custody on Tuesday, a ministry statement said.
Mr Bouziane had told a local magazine that the Koran "allowed the beating of wives" and expressed hopes that "the entire world becomes Muslim".
The ministry statement said remarks against human rights, particularly women's rights, could not be tolerated.
The government will not tolerate public comments... which attack human dignity and in particular the dignity of women, calls to hatred or to violence, or justification of terrorism
Interior ministry statement
An expulsion order had already been issued over his views before the magazine article appeared, and the interview confirmed that the decision was correct, it added.
Algerian-born Abdelkader Bouziane told the April issue of Lyon Mag he favors wife-beating "under certain conditions, especially if the woman cheats on her husband". He claimed the Koran authorised such punishment.
He was also quoted as saying he favors an Islamic republic in France.
"But not just for France. I want the whole world to become Muslim." |
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:35
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For thinking so? - no
For stating so in a close audience of acquaintances? - no
For stating so to a wide audience? - yes
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See now you're creating an Orwellian situation. What that would do is force the view underground, giving it more popularity. Instead of acting upon their own insecurities regarding their control, a government in that situation should keep that speech legal, in any of your said circumstances, but instead aim to counter them.
You force something underground, it's like shaking up a sociological lemonade bottle.
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Speech is a form of action already. It is not entirely innocent despite what pro-pure-free-speech seem to believe. Actual violence is harmful, but a call to violence can be even more harmful, if it convinces people to act upon these words. One who publishes violent speeches should be held responsible for such an action.
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Ah I suppose you believe that if you ask me to shoot someone, and I do it, that you are guilty as I am?  . Unless you can prove a command structure (in which case the issue of responsibility comes into play) it is the person pulling the trigger that is guilty, as hard as that is for people to believe, as we have a tendency to simplify and conspire to enforce that simple view. Fundamentally, there is a world of logical distinctions between the speaker and the actor. You bely the notion of individual interpretation.
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