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Spiffor is offline Spiffor
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Perben réclame des poursuites contre un imam de Vénissieux

mardi 20 avril 2004 (Reuters - 10:41)



PARIS - Le Garde des Sceaux, Dominique Perben, a réclamé des poursuites judiciaires contre un imam d'origine algérienne qui a estimé dans une interview que le Coran autorisait un homme à battre sa femme.

Dans l'édition d'avril de Lyon-Mag, Abdelkader Bouziane, imam à Vénissieux, dans la banlieue de Lyon, se déclare pour la lapidation des femmes et la polygamie.

Le chef de famille "doit rester juste avec sa femme, ne pas la frapper sans raison" mais "battre sa femme, c'est autorisé par le Coran (...) dans certaines conditions, notamment si la femme trompe son mari", dit-il notamment.

"Mais attention, l'homme n'a pas le droit de frapper n'importe où", ajoute-t-il. "Il ne doit pas frapper au visage mais viser le bas, les jambes ou le ventre. Et il peut frapper fort pour faire peur à sa femme afin qu'elle ne recommence plus."

Interrogé par France 2 sur cette interview, Dominique Perben a estimé que la justice devait "faire quelque chose".

"Les violences familiales, c'est une abomination et dès la parution de ce journal, j'ai demandé à la direction des affaires criminelles du ministère de la Justice d'examiner comment une action en justice pourrait être engagée", a-t-il dit.

"Je sais que d'autres personnes ont porté plainte ou se porteront partie civile et donc ce monsieur aura à s'expliquer devant la justice sur ses déclarations", a-t-il ajouté.

Le député-maire communiste de Vénissieux, André Gérin, a pour sa part écrit au ministre de l'Intérieur, Dominique de Villepin, pour exprimer son émotion et sa colère "face (au) discours fondamentaliste (...) et antirépublicain" de l'imam.

"Cet archaïsme vis-à-vis de la femme donne la nausée", écrit-il. "Ces déclarations ne sont pas la simple expression d'idées. Ce sont des délits. Elles sont hors-la-loi. Elles cultivent le refus de l'intégration des musulmans dans le respect de l'identité française."

André Gérin envisage de porter plainte pour "atteinte à l'ordre public et à la République".

"Il est temps de ne plus accepter des imams venus de l'étranger comme l'Algérie, le Maroc ou l'Arabie saoudite", ajoute-t-il. Il demande également au gouvernement de rompre ses relations diplomatiques avec l'Arabie saoudite, "soupçonnée de favoriser le prosélytisme radical, de diffuser des pamphlets antisémites, d'être une énorme tirelire pour le terrorisme".

Dans l'interview à Lyon-Mag, Abdelkader Bouziane, qui se dit "salafiste" et militant pour un retour "à la vraie religion musulmane", affirme également que la musique est un péché parce qu'elle "détourne du Coran" et "pousse à la débauche".

Il se déclare opposé à la loi interdisant le port du voile islamique à l'école, "car le voile est une obligation pour les musulmanes", récuse l'idée que la femme soit l'égale de l'homme et souhaite que la France devienne un pays islamiste.


No complete translation, but a summary:

A French Imam has publically declared that:
- he favors lapidation of women and polygamy
- beating your woman is good, but only in some circumstances, like if she cheated on you
- you must not hit her on the face, but on the legs and belly. You must hit her strong enough so that she's afraid and never does it again
- music is sin, as it deters from the Quran and favors debauchery
- he wants to come back to the "true religion"
- he is against the headscarf ban, because Muslim women are forced to wear the scarf
- he wishes France to become an Islamist country.

Needless to say, people were baffled. The justice minister is considering action, and the communist mayor of this Imam's city has immediately begun the judicial process against the imam. He also asked that we ban the coming of imams from abroad, especially Algeria and Saudi Arabia.

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Islam is a religion of Peace.

As-Salaam-Alaikum.

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And Christianity a religion of love-just ask Phelps about the Homos.

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Islam is a religion of Peace.

Well, I don't think we should condemn Islam as a whole for the declarations of this random ass, just like we shouldn't condemn christianty as a whole for Fred Phelps.

However, it is very worrisome that people like him, who defend a medieval and untolerable lifestyle, can become imams in my country. I think it is necessary to monitor our imams somehow, and to monitor very strongly the imams from abroad. These are the seeds of terrible trouble, and I don't think we should be any lenient toward them.

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why should you thratem his free speech?


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Well, the only thing I can see him getting in trouble for would be "inciting violence" by telling people it's ok to beat their wives.

Typical fundy wackyness.

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quote:
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why should you thratem his free speech?

Public incitation to violence or hatred is a punishable offense here.

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I dont think their speech should be threatened, however the government should encourage Imams with an antithetical message to speak too.

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Public incitation to violence or hatred is a punishable offense here.


Can you please pick up Tony Blair for the above next time he visits your fair country? Please.

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quote:

Public incitation to violence or hatred is a punishable offense here.


I believe he used the word "should" not "could".

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quote:
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Can you please pick up Tony Blair for the above next time he visits your fair country? Please.


3 out of 10.

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I believe he used the word "should" not "could".


"should" is incitement.

Telling people what they should do.

If the guy is breaking French Law, well, he should be ready to do the time.

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Isn't this old?

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This made it to the news today, and Reuters dates it from today 10:41, so...

Edit: but indeed, the ideas of the imam are pretty old, that's for sure.

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quote:
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Can you please pick up Tony Blair for the above next time he visits your fair country? Please.

It's illegal here too. I never thought I would say this but to French law. Such statements should be illegal

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Islam is a religion of Peace.

As-Salaam-Alaikum.


You're absolutely right -- because to put mainstream Muslims into the same group with fanatics would be just as wrong as to put mainstream Christians into the same group with fanatics.

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They all believe in the same god anyway.

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They all believe in the same god anyway.


The Christian God and the Mulim god are not the same!

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You all are racists! You Europeans are so cocky, aren't you?!

to the Imam.




Everyone who says that mainstream muslims and christians are the same, is frankly full of ****.

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Actually it is. Otherwise we we wouldn't be considered "People of the Book" and Jesus wouldn't be a Holy Prophet. The only way your supposition makes since is if you are going to claim that the Jewish and Christian God aren't the same as well.

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Who made the claim that mainstream Christians and mainstream Muslims are the same?

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The Christian God and the Mulim god are not the same!
Actually, they are. It all came from Judeism.

It's a pity that fundies and religionists are so ignorant about their own religions.

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quote:
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The Christian God and the Mulim god are not the same!


Everyone point at The diplomat and laugh!

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quote:
Islam is a religion of Peace.

As-Salaam-Alaikum.

Christianity is a religion of Peace.

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As DD already stated, Christians, Muslims and Jews all believe in the same God.

But that does not mean that religious followers of these three types of religions are the same, considering they are religions from different cultures.

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quote:
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- beating your woman is good, but only in some circumstances, like if she cheated on you
- you must not hit her on the face, but on the legs and belly.


So that's the real reason why they have to cover their bodies, except the face

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quote:
Originally posted by The diplomat


The Christian God and the Mulim god are not the same!


They are the same. We both worship the same God originating from the Jewish faith.

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What he didn't say was that you were supposed to beat her with your penis.

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- beating your woman is good, but only in some circumstances, like if she cheated on you
Beating the man who she was ******** would be more satisfying IMO.

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Ok, I think that particular point (same God) has been made, fellas.



-Arrian

 
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