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Eyes is right, maybe he likes to host because every time he and I play, I host. dunno tho...
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My Wife Hates CIV
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Michigan
Jan 1970
time: 05:12
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I find it interesting what it is Eyes responds to in my post. Only the parts that threaten his *civ greatest*.
Eyes is the kind of child who thinks (and tells everyone) 'I'm great, I'm great, I'm great, I'm great'.
As long as you understand that this is the kind of person/kid you're dealing with... well, it's cool I guess.
Kinda like watching McEnroe play tennis. It got to the point it was fun watching him throw a spaz.
Can't you see Eyes, it's not that you win that gets people upset (even if you do cheat), but how you handle yourself after the fact. What, do you go to bed at the end of the day glowing over your 51 cities???
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Ming, I never accused Eyes of cheating, I have merely followed a line of speculation that Eyes has fully encouraged, hypothesised on the imponderables of the games.
Fair is fair, I have left the question of cheating open and if you read the icq and chat logs posted here it is clear that I had no intention of posting a thread questioning his play.
IMO, Eyes did it basically to get attention and to slag off at Apolytoners. He has brought his own play into scrutiny. He wanted me to accuse him of cheating but I haven't. That is partly why this whole thread has backfired on him. The rest seems to be his own track record, which has come back to haunt him.
As you know, I'm not argumentative 
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Actually I don't really think about civ once I get off the computer and I would rather go out and get drunk than play this game. And I wouldn't have said that AH sucks if he hadn't "suspected" me of cheating. I like to get nasty when people do that. If you can't handle it, then don't dish it. Just keep your ****ing mouth shut and you won't have to deal with this.
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Well Eyes I learned a lot from those games - the implications of lower settings were quite remarkable. I can also see how you can be beaten on those settings, whether you cheat or not 
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How I can be beaten? Only if someone gets a really good start from huts and then makes good use of it. I'm basically unstoppable.
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Jul 1999
time: 21:12
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If the players in game are limited to original Microprose software (game CD & patch), and not benifiting form lag related bugs, or other "cheats" unless mutually agreed on by all players...
I contend then that no one would be basically unstopable. Among the best players winners would win most of the time at best but not 9 out of 10 times. Maybe one player would win another as Kaak said 9 out of 10, but no one player could be unstopable to all others by a wide margine, simply because the game parameters are limited and mastered by more than a few.
Things like using the most efficient route to tip huts according to the known patterns are not studied by all, and the player who has mastered even this one tiny aspect of the game will have an advantage over one who has not for example.
I just do not believe that any one player can legitimately whoop everyone else almost all the time. hehe...even Clint Eastwood used an "edge" to gain the advantage (The Outlaw Josey Wales) The "in game" features are limited and the only real edge you can have is mastering them. And there are more than one master floating around the world.
So my question for you Eyes is that if you were up against 3 or 4 others of the better players in a LAN network setting in a big toiurny room if you will (as Raz once suggested as a truely fair game) with people observing the players, using ONLY original Microprose software, no lag bugs, and any other "cheats" being strictly mutually agreed on by all, with whatever settings or combo of settings in say 3 games... would you really be "basically unstoppable?
Also Eyes if you are so basically unstoppable then why did you need a whimpy restart from your island location? Wouldn't such a great player take it as a challenge, like most of the players i have played with seem to do?
I think these are fair questions, and the subject of a truely fair game has been often brought up, even by Carnides post about a chesslike game, which interests me too.
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First of all I don't play large MP games. I play duels. And yes I am virtually unstoppable. I'm currently at 15 wins in a row with 300 points ahead of even the closest player to me on gameleague. I plan to make that 500 points ahead very soon with a 20 win streak.
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My Wife Hates CIV
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Michigan
Jan 1970
time: 05:12
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You're a legend in your own mind.
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Damn, forgot to ask him if he got host techs. Eyes hosted 5 games in a row and never declared a start tech - must be a new record 
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Melbourne, Australia
May 2000
time: 15:12
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*OK, I'm new to this forum, but I heard some guys mentioned that eyes has been caught cheating in the past. What was that all about? Perhaps if we cleared that up first, it would help?
*What about when AH said that he opened to save and somehting like 35/50 of eyes cities went straight into disorder?
*And answer the question about the lan - how about if you were one-on-one on a no(small)-lag network, still think you could do it?
*By the way, eyes, your ego's so big that it alone keeps this thread floating on top... it doesn't matter how good you are, but man!
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When I went into Eye's civ I started the game in the normal way and just went into his civ instead of mine. The game settings were correct, his civ was in a goverment (monarchy). I changed nothing in terms of his civ settings, I didn't get the chance, because over half his cities immediately went into revolt, upon his turn starting. Coincidence? It made me think he always wants to host because he's tweaked his rule.txt or settings somehow. I'm not saying he did, it just made me wonder.
I'm happy to share this save with anyone who wants to look at it. Its probably all perfectly explainable.
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Considering the fact AH hosted basically the entire game I don't know why you're even bothering with this. It obviously had no effect on gameplay.
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suas333
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Brooklyn, NY, U.S
Feb 2000
time: 05:12
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Wow, PLaying Civ at Apolyton and at Gameleague is like 2 separate games.
AH, It seems that when you load the game up its loading on 1x1x, when the actual game was 2x2x. This is probably why the cities went into disorder.
And the bug i was referring to about checking unit proximity to city, is definatley considered cheating at apolyton, but not at gameleague!
Eyes, you have trouble gettingleaguers to believe you, no sense in trying to convince people here. If there is any kind of cheating, which i doubt, then its not the provable kind anyway.
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29-09-2000 09:00
) and (especially) DaveV is a good beginning.
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