23-04-2004 07:59									#1
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Seven European Civs.

England
Russia
Germany
France
Turkey (Ottomans)
Spain
Netherlands

Small map. Monarch. All other settings random. Using 1.22.

Players and order:

Beta - French (brucehynes57 TA rogers TOD com)
snoopy369 - Ottomans (snoopy369 TA yahoooooo TOD com)
alexman - Russians (alexman TA alum TOD mit TOD edu)
Arnelos - Germans
Paddy the Scot - English
McMeadows - Dutch
ChrisiusMaximus - Spanish

Good luck! Bonne chance!

Last edited by Beta on 24-04-2004 at 18:43

	23-04-2004 08:58									#2
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indeed

England please

	23-04-2004 11:01									#3
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Spain would do for me.

	23-04-2004 11:32									#4
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Dutch

	23-04-2004 16:16									#5
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Ick... another v1.22 game. I hate this dual install B.S. When is Firaxis/Atari going to fix that stupid patch?

Oh fine, I'll play.

Germany

	23-04-2004 16:41									#6
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Welcome comrades!

Two more and we start.

French, Ottomans, and Russians are left.

	23-04-2004 17:16									#7
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ooh did you say Ottomans?

I'm In.

	23-04-2004 18:55									#8
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Will you be mad if I steal the Russians from you, comrade Beta?

	23-04-2004 20:24									#9
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Hey, just a random thought (and feel free to poo-poo me if it's dumb) --
would anyone be interested in setting up the initial alliances based on roughly pre-WWI alliances? Presumably not locked alliances since we're all humans and that wouldn't be as fun, but just starting out that way? Something like:

England-France-Netherlands
Germany-Ottomans
Russians-Spain (since Russia needs an ally and Spain was a non-factor at the time anyways ... could also give Russia to the England group and Spain to the Germany group to have 2 alliance groups instead of the (slightly more realistic) 3 ... )

I just thought it might throw an interesting spin on things ...

	24-04-2004 04:18									#10
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quote: Originally posted by alexman Will you be mad if I steal the Russians from you, comrade Beta?

Mais, d'accord! Avec plaisir!

Snoopy - interesting idea - but not sure of starting positions. I think we should let the alliances form naturally.

So - the standard rules apply. No out of game contact before meeting in-game. Also - Rommel2D has raised an interesting point in the March Madness/Iron Civer discussion regarding the role of Embassies. We clearly do not need to resolve it now - but I throw it out for discussion.

And damn - I forgot to ask - what time works best for folks for playing. I am 7:00-8:00 est and 18:00 to 23:00 est (12:00 to 13:00 gmt and 23:00 to 4:00 gmt). I will set up the game order based on that. Wil start the game later tonight if I get enough responses - or by tomorrow am.

	24-04-2004 04:30									#11
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PMed this to you, but for everyone else's pleasure:

I play 6:00 to 6:45 am CT, which is 7 to 7:45 am ET or 12 to 12:45 pm GMT (i think), and then again 6-7pm to 11pm-12am CT (7 or 8 pm to 12 or 1am et, 12-1am GMT to 5-6am GMT). IE, I wake up, I play any turns waiting for me, I go to work, I come home, I play until sleepytime. I'm pretty religious about both times, unless I wake up late accidentally which of course happens occasionally.

Basically, it looks like I'm on just after you, Beta.

edit: and I am (unusually) working tonight 10pm CT to 6am CT, so I'd put me near the end of the round if you set it up tonight expecting a round played tonight. However, I'll check it ASAP when I get home like 6:20am CT, so if you set it up after that I'm good for beginning of round.

	24-04-2004 06:04									#12
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How's this for a play order:

Beta GMT-5
snoopy369 GMT-6
Arnelos GMT-7
Paddy the Scot GMT+9
McMeadows GMT+1
ChrisiusMaximus GMT
alexman GMT-5

The only question here is to when you can play your turns alexman. I can play before work in the morning - so if you would prefer that I precede you, then I will switch us around, and you will play second, snoopy 3rd, etc.

Also - if anyone works and plays at weird hours (if you know what I mean ), we may need to change it.

Comments?

(sorry snoop - just saw your PM.)

	24-04-2004 06:16									#13
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Only comment I have is that since we both play in the early AM, if anyone else plays in that time frame (1200 GMT roughly) they should be immediately after or before us so to get the most turns out of the way ... like, tho I've never played with him, I'd guess Paddy would play during that time (like 2100), so perhaps he should be before arnelos (unless you also play in the AM arnelos)? Or will that screw things up at night ... 000 GMT would be 0900 paddy time - Paddy do you play in the early AM too?

anyways, as long as we all play once a day I suppose it should all be good.

	24-04-2004 06:25									#14
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I can play my turns pretty much as soon as I receive them from 14:00 to 22:00 GMT (9-5 Eastern US). I can also play one turn some time between 22:00 and 3:00 GMT (5-10 pm my time).

So, Monsieur Beta, if you leave home to go to work before 9, you should probably go before me.

My first C3C PBEM! Yay!

	24-04-2004 07:08									#15
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k so I'm a total geek and spent the last half hour figuring out when you all post normally (except for those of you who posted actual availability). I get (approximate and taking into account weekends):
ALL TIMES EASTERN STANDARD TIME, since that's about half of us:

Paddy 2300-1000
Chrisius 1300-1800
Beta 1800-2300, also 700-800
Snoopy369 1900-2400, also 700-800
McMeadows 400-1000, 1700-1900 (maybe?)
Alexman 900-1700,1700-2200 one turn
Arnelos 1900-2300, also around 9:00 am?

That implies something like this?

Beta Turn 1.1: early morning 7am EST
Snoopy369 Turn 1.2: early morning 7:15am EST
Alexman Turn 1.3: morning 9:00 am EST
Arnelos Turn 1.4: morning 9:15 am EST
Paddy Turn 1.5: morning 9:30am EST
McMeadows Turn 1.6: morning 10:00 am EST
Chrisius Turn 1.7: afternoon 13:00 (pm) EST
Beta Turn 2.1: evening 18:00 EST
Snoopy369 Turn 2.2: evening 19:00 EST
Alexman Turn 2.3: night 21:00 EST
Arnelos Turn 2.4: night 22:00 EST
Paddy Turn 2.5: night 0:00 EST
McMeadows Turn 2.6: early morning 0400 EST
Chrisius Turn 2.7: afernoon 13:00 EST

Then Turn 2 rinses and repeats, unless Chrisius and McMeadows can do their respective turns before 7:00 am EST, in which case turn 1 + turn 2 repeat. IE, if the two of you can do an early AM turn, like 7-9 am GMT (2am-4am EST) then we get 2 turns a day without too much difficulty (unless the above is difficult for y'all in that european time zone).

I see no other way to get around the two GMTers only having one turn per day based on the USA folks availability, since GMT night is during the rest of ours' working hours (and I'm not as lucky as Alexman here in the ability to play at work ). However, not only does this give us SOME chance at 2 turns a day, it also gives us a very good chance to make up missed days (by taking advantage of the morning runs, and since you GMT folks can presumably also play in that 1000-1800 EST time slot if something goes wrong before you).

Of course, if any of those guesses of availability are wrong, then the whole thing goes to pot. But they should be close. Arnelos and McMeadows in particular post if you're drastically different than this as I had less to work with than I did with Paddy, who seems to be playing in more PBEM games than the rest of us combined. (Which means presumably Paddy you always have a turn waiting for you SOMEwhere ... must be nice ... )

-Joe

edit: one thing i noticed, Paddy doesn't seem to always be online as late as 9:30 EST (midnightish your time i think Paddy). This would mess up Turn Sequence #1, since Alexman can't do it before 0900 est and Arnelos doesn't seem to do it much earlier either when he is in the AM. An earlier sequence I had put Paddy before those two (after Beta and I), but that messed up the later turn sequence #2 since he'd have to be on early (pre-22:00 EST) to get it in before Alexman is out (and thus beta and I wouldn't play until the evening).

Or maybe I'm overanalyzing this. Who knows.

Last edited by snoopy369 on 24-04-2004 at 07:15

	24-04-2004 09:21									#16
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snoop

Good stuff though. I will use your proposed order - with me, you, and alex at the start.

I'm afraid the timing plan, like the old military maxim of a plan only being in tact until contact with the enemy, may be in tatters after two turns. But the premise is sound, and if we get in a groove, it may proceed fairly well.

Starting up the game.

And damn - I forgot about e-mails. Man, I'm pathetic at this. Who put me in charge anyway???

mine is:

brucehynes57 TA rogers TOD com.

If folks post here or e-mail or pm me I will put the play order and e-mails in the top post of this thread for easy reference.

	24-04-2004 09:42									#17
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Game underway.

Just need snoopy's e-mail.

May I also suggest that we send our passwords, along with the admin password, to a third (I guess eighth) party just in case.

It would be nice to have some sort of sealed envelope set-up here at Poly for this kind of thing.

	24-04-2004 16:12									#18
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alexman TA alum TOD mit TOD edu

Am I correct in assuming that Europe might be an archipelago?

	24-04-2004 18:40									#19
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you have mine now, as I was just at my unusual work, but for everyone else it is (snoopy)(3)(6)(9) little a symbol Yahoo little speck of a mark com.

Ok, that was going too far. It's my user name at yahoo dot com, pretty simple.

	24-04-2004 18:47									#20
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wow nice, an MIT alum ... U of Chicago here. Now we just need Harvard, Yale, and Oxford and we should be set.



(this is where someone from Stanford posts "Hey!" : )

(and then someone from Cal-Poly objects to the "Hey" : )


Just wish U of Chicago gave us real alumni e-mail accounts. They cut us off 3 months after graduating and just give us some cruddy forwarding e-mail addy that doesn't really work very well ...

	24-04-2004 18:50									#21
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Need a couple more e-mails.

And I have sent the first save to snoopy, but I think I may have screwed it up already. I set up the game late last night - and did it under 1.15. If snoopy can play in 1.22 and keep it going - then no problems. But we may need to restart.

alexman - the settings were all random - so I have no idea what kind of map we are looking at. The best way IMHO.

	24-04-2004 18:51									#22
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 wow nice, an MIT alum ... U of Chicago here. Now we just need Harvard, Yale, and Oxford and we should be set. (this is where someone from Stanford posts "Hey!" : ) (and then someone from Cal-Poly objects to the "Hey" : ) Just wish U of Chicago gave us real alumni e-mail accounts. They cut us off 3 months after graduating and just give us some cruddy forwarding e-mail addy that doesn't really work very well ...

Hey! What about Carleton University in Ottawa???

	24-04-2004 18:54									#23
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Yeh, that was the next one out of my mouth. Actually I'd have no idea if it were oxford's peer or a community college, I'm not well versed on Canadian schools ... just don't get as much out of a liberal education as you used to.

(Well, I've actually heard of one Uni up north - McGill - but that's just because I was a MUN dork )

	24-04-2004 19:13									#24
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Ok - had to restart using 1.22 First turn to snoopy.

(And $$%%@#@!!!X$#!!!. My start in the 1.15 version was on a river, with ivory AND bonus food in the first city radius. )

	24-04-2004 19:40									#25
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Well, I dunno what my first start was, but ...
(no out of game talking, I know, I know)

Let's just say I didn't get a start with a food bonus on ivory this time and leave it at that. :sigh:

Turn on to Alexman. Let's see how long my tactics are successful ...

Last edited by snoopy369 on 24-04-2004 at 19:47

	24-04-2004 22:52									#26
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4000 played, but I don't know the e-mail address of Arnelos, so here is the save.

Please don't download if you're not Arnelos (since he hasn't entered a password yet).

[Edit: deleted attachment]

Last edited by alexman on 26-04-2004 at 02:30

	25-04-2004 08:23									#27
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Beta,

You got my timezone wrong. I think I forgot to update it since I moved back from Arizona several months ago, sorry. I'm now GMT-4, having been in the Washington, D.C. metro area since the end of December.

That's ok, though.

Getting and playing save now.

	25-04-2004 10:10									#28
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Well, I'm about 95% sure that I know what the randomized starting conditions for this map ended up being.

If that's what I think I see off to the side of my start area, I'm rather screwed.

Then again, I sorta like playing screwed over starting positions and trying to make the best of them (I introduce to the jury Exhibition A: ISDG FAM PBEM #4....), so don't worry about me.

Save being attached here because I don't have Paddy's e-mail address.

EDIT (attachment removed)

Last edited by Arnelos on 26-04-2004 at 03:02

	25-04-2004 12:22									#29
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Snoopy - you are well named old chap

amazing work there

Thanks Arnelos

Onto McMeadows

	26-04-2004 03:49									#30
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put a lot of thought into it Paddy.


Now just waiting until Post 500 so I can pick my own avatar ... at 7 posts a day average that's only like 2 months away ...

must post more ...