29-05-2004 10:24									#91
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It is a little out of character.

However the issue is that in PBEM you may never see what it is that killed you so you do not know what the opponent has. It is a stabilizing feature to make up for the fact that in PBEM you many times do not see fast units that attack you.

When playing the computer you can watch your opponents moves and the combat happen, in PBEM you cannot. It was something developed sometime back for tournament play that I personally find rather fair so that it makes up for the lack of vision to the combat in PBEM. Now if it only had a "view combat" feature it would be great and the notes would not be useful

	29-05-2004 10:32									#92
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Paddy, it's a gameplay thing. Since Civ3 does not show you what happened during other people's turns in a PBEM, it is harmful to the game to not know about it. In RL, if you wish, you certainly see what happens during combat involving your units (well, most of the time anyways). Civ3 PBEM doesn't show you that, so we improvise by having these battle reports. Not only is it only fair to know what you were beaten by (since that's relevant to your strategy), but in PBEM when it's a day between turns usually it's hard to remember what units you had the day before ... Battle reports are a standard in Apolyton PBEMs, so it's not just us. Talk to Rommel2d or Beta, I'm sure they could explain it further if you want more info on them.

OOC: kind of getting what you are saying - yet I am playing in a few PBEM's and this is that only one asked for itemised battle reports

end OCC

IC:

bah humbug

onto the Yank who is living in a concealed tank


edit: anyway thank you all for your patience with me as I am learning - and still have a long way to go

	29-05-2004 20:54									#93
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And it is from my concealed tank that i send this next save to snoopy

Im not coming out either untill the shooting stops

	30-05-2004 01:09									#94
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sent on to MFC

	30-05-2004 06:53									#95
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quote: Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus And it is from my concealed tank that i send this next save to snoopy Im not coming out either untill the shooting stops

indeed young leader of the old and wise nation

	30-05-2004 10:06									#96
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quote: Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus Gentlemen can we not sit at the table and discuss terms for a lasting peace treaty ? Surely what does britain hope to gain from destroying one of only three potential trading partners, there is much empty terrain in this world for our explorers and settlers to claim and make productive, do our peoples not deserve freedom and peace? America stands neutrally by and hopes that our friends in England and Spain can find a way to resolve this dispute and bring forth a time of peace and prosperity for all. Washington stands ready to welcome delegates from both your great sovereign nations to hold peace talks on neutral and safe! ground. We await with hope in our hearts both your responses.

The Sovereign peoples of Spain have desired peace for some time. At one time an offer was extended by the English and accepted by our Foreign Minister, the result of which was a return of the raiding (piratical?) English army when the next day dawned.

We hear the comments of rebellion amongst our people, yet we find the "rebels" escorted ashore by a Man o War with the cross of St George on its jack and all of them wearing English livery. All that we hear amongst our people are cries against the deaths of our sons in battle and the stench of death that still lingers from the sack of Toledo. The Spanish people stand united against this, and in fact divisions within the parliament have dissolved to express in one voice their resolution against these actions.

Our ambassador to Washington has been charged with talking with the American mediators to hear what proposals they have. As we finish cleansing our soil of the ravenging forces which have landed upon it we would look forward to some sort of an acceptable peace.

	30-05-2004 10:41									#97
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Peace yes peace indeed

Glad to hear you have the reebels under control

Hmm so what are you offering for peace in our times

	30-05-2004 13:53									#98
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OK well as far as peace talks go then you both need to contact America with your requirements, as I can do nothing without your input.

I would suggest you both act with haste, and I would also suggest you both accept a white peace, have you seen how fast the Germans are claiming the unsettled territory of this world!!!

You both have nothing to gain from further prosecuting this conflict and very much to lose especially with an overwhelmingly powerful German state on your doorsteps!!

The save has been sent to our good friends the people of Germany, long may their example of peacable living shine to the rest of the world

	30-05-2004 16:20									#99
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The peaceable, yet mighty and fearless Germans are sad to hear that peace was once nearly achieved, and yet aborted by the English. Perhaps the English would have something to say about this accusation? The Germans eagerly await such a reply.

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	31-05-2004 02:31									#100
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	31-05-2004 16:51									#101
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hey Germany


Bah Humbug

	31-05-2004 20:40									#102
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ooc : Paddy, this sort of thing in a PBEM is fairly important. In an AI game, you have "reputation", that the AIs seem to know if you've broken deals with other AIs instantly and for long periods of time. In a PBEM, you have the same thing, but it's not definite -- ie, one person could say one thing and one person another.

As such, when I'm told that you made a peace treaty and then broke it immediately, I want to hear your side of the story first before I take any action. I'm doing you that favor, because making and then immediately breaking a peace treaty is one of the worst things that you can do from my standpoint. I see our agreement as depending on mutual trust -- and if you're breaking treaties with other people right after making them, I see no reason to trust you to keep your side of our agreement.

On the other hand, I'd like to give you a chance to explain if this has been misrepresented or misunderstood, as that happens a lot in human-human interactions.

/ooc

	02-06-2004 02:11									#103
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I can release the news that negotiations are under way now, can both nations abide by a cease fire until final agreement has been reached, in the interests of fostering a sustainable peace resolution

	02-06-2004 06:59									#104
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The Germans are overjoyed to hear that peace may have been reached in the Anglo-Spanish Conflict. Perhaps peace will once again reign over all the world.

On a side note, we are sad to see that the residents of Hastings have not taken as well to these glad tidings. If Sir Paddy of the English would desire any assistance in quashing the rebels, my Destroyer would gladly lend its assistance, as a show of strength by an Ally to the Crown often enables a Leader to obtain the support of his Subjects all the more readily.

	02-06-2004 16:46									#105
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underway


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	04-06-2004 02:10									#106
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Rejoice all peoples of the world, for peace has returned to our time.

It is with great satisfaction that I can announce here today that an agreement has been reached.

Terms of the ceasefire as follows.

England will keep all hostages/refugees gained whilst prosecuting this war, and Senor MF Camillus will donate 1 gold coin to the English treasury. This transfer of moneys is to be conducted at an agreed time by both combatants and without the overseeing of America.

Prirme minister Paddy of Her Majestys Government has added a sweetener to the deal as sign of friendship and good faith in that England will donate a newly built colony to the Spanish people. This will serve as compensation for Spains losses during the recent hostilities.

It is now for the Spanish Government to decide a suitable site for this new colony and this will hopefully be announced soon.

We must ask in the strongest terms our friends Germany to cease their overexpansion!! We do not say your actions are carried out in bad deed but we would advise that it may be seen as greedy! by lesser nations.

Your growth is to be congratulated and we wish your people well, however your colonies are getting very close to the hearts of other nations and could become the future bone of contention that might trigger further hostilities. You have publicly stated that you dislike petty squabbles and war, well Sir might I ask you in the interests of world peace that you cease your colonisation, allowing some time for our English and Spanish friends to recover from the economic effects of their misguided war.

America will happily sign an agreement for equal land rights and will agree here and now not to settle on any new isalnds other than those already settled or within her existing borders. I pas this document to our esteemed German friends in the hope that they can see its importance at this juncture.

All that remains for me is to congratulate my friends the English and the Spanish, on behalf of all Americans on there splendid decision to settle their dispute. The path of peace is a difficult road, and not many can find strength enough to walk its length, we salute you both

	04-06-2004 10:39									#107
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The Germans are glad to hear of the peace found between Spain and England. Mayhaps this will be the first of many turns played without the dreaded Battle Report.

Germany is saddened to hear that our esteemed Colleagues are afraid of our might. Do not be jealous of our success, for success it is to have such a mighty nation amdist the constant danger of war. Nay, be proud to be amongst greatness.

Germany does not intend war, and, barring provocation, shall not make war on any of our Friendly nations. We expand our borders such that the German people may benefit from trade and the hard work which characterizes the German people.

We would gladly see other nations continue colonizing the various Islands of this world, but do not intend to halt our great mission of peace and prosperity. We in fact encourage the newly peaceable nations of England and Spain to seek out new shores and plant their flags, as there are yet many unsettled islands amongst us, and many opportunities for their growth and prosperity, such that they might one day soon rival our own greatness, and bring a better world to us all.

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	05-06-2004 22:07									#108
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hello - is there anyone out there

	05-06-2004 22:37									#109
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I have it.

It came yesterday. Trying to dig out from some detritous in the mess from a short holiday week here.

I need to get something for Chrisius and then will get to work on this one.

	07-06-2004 14:06									#110
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	08-06-2004 04:04									#111
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I was saddened to see that my foreign advisor has not recieved official confirmation of a signed peace treaty between our friends, Spain and England. Gentlemaen are there still some details that need attendance ?

If this is not the case might we suggest one of you proposes a treaty and the other accepts as soon as is humanly possible

To our German friends, we must repeat our advisory comments of the previous despatches to you. I am upset that you seem to not care of our concerns for world peace and stability !! We humbly requested that you cease your empirical expansion for a time, this was not so that we could increase our holdings but so that our other world nations might yet have a chance to expand their holdings in their recovery from war. You mock me Sire with your suggestion that I may be jealous of your people, far from it as I believe America is a great nation in its own right, and does not need to seek gratification from the works of others.

No Sir I think you missed the point completely, you are to my mind rushing ahead and grabbing as many prime colonial sites as you can, which if this were an even race I would applaud you for your outstanding success.

However this is not a fair race at all as the two nations who have been at war have fell far behind in the expansion stakes, whilst your nation has and is still seeking to prosper from these circumstances!!!

I ask you again Sir in the interests of world peace please halt your expansion programme, at least for a time so that England and Spain might be allowed some breathing space in the race for land.

	08-06-2004 06:36									#112
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The Germans are again saddened to hear that their righteous Expansion of the Great German State is causing offense to our friends the Americans. In the spirit of cooperation, we are willing to make a few compromises to ensure the survival and flourishing of the English and Spanish states.

To wit, we make the following suggestion for a Division of the Territories. Our general plan is to allow our nation and the American nation to occupy lands immediately near our homeland, to ensure our Safety in the event of military action. The remainder of lands, including most or all of the islands with several city squares possible, shall be divided between the Spanish and the English in the most logical and equitable divsion that is reasonable.

Note: This is a first draft, and the Germans would gladly take suggestions for making this more just. We are being rather rushed, so do not have an opportunity to double-check this for fairness.
We are willing to negotiate, although some of the squares we desire are necessary for our Safety, and will be very hesitant to give up. None of the cities already established shall be given up, but some islands already occupied will be 'shared' islands, to allow our friends opportunities to occupy quality city spaces. Where we state "Isle near X" we of course mean all of the island nearest, or in direction Y, to X. Where we state "Island with X city" we mean to state that that island shall be Shared, and often limit it to a single city or two.

With that, our suggestion:

Spanish:
- Isle with cow near Hannover
- Isle with oasis (Hannover) one city
- tundra isle SE of Madrid (with Oil)
- isle E of Madrid, S of Hannover
- isle with Heidelberg

English:
Isle w/horse and Seattle
isle w/marsh NE of seattle
isle NE of Hill that Was
tundra isle (long and skinny) N of Hill that Was
tundra isle w/oil S of My Joint
jungle NW of Nuremberg, W side

Germans:
Jungle SE of My Joint
Isle w/San Francisco, 1 city
Isle NE of Leipzig E of Chicago
Isle W of Leipzig
jungle isle NW of Nuremberg - E side

Americans:
Isle E of New York
Isle w/horse near Konigsberg
Isle W of above horse isle
Isle w/Chicago (all of island)
Isle E of chicago (2 W of horse isle)

The Germans thank you for your consideration of our suggestion. We will gladly explain any confusing or mislabelled directions.

	11-06-2004 03:05									#113
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Germany we do not wish to share islands we inhabit already with your nation, while we appreciate your efforts to find a solution to these problems we will not accept your colonies opn lands claimed by America!!

If you build any cities on our islands we will consider this an act of aggression!!

	11-06-2004 08:55									#114
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We understand your concern, and agree with your general argument. However, if you wish to reach a solution to your concern, some tradeoffs are inevitable.

If the Americans do not wish to accept our proposal to sit down at the table, we will understand this, but will continue in our efforts to enrich the mighty German nation. We will respect American sovereignity, so long as the Americans continue to respect German sovereignity.

	11-06-2004 09:26									#115
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Turn sent.

	11-06-2004 12:09									#116
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wow, we seem to be having a build up of international negotiations for land

maybe a map would be good

then we can all stake our claims and discussit here

	11-06-2004 21:08									#117
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As far as I can tell it's mostly negotiation over NOT negotiating for land ...

	12-06-2004 17:19									#118
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you're quite the diplomat

	15-06-2004 17:33									#119
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1828 to Paddy.

I can see that I need to find some time while at work to review the non-negotiating.

	15-06-2004 17:59									#120
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1828 to Chrisius