28-04-2004 05:27									#31
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some very mature handling of very difficult situations ..

	28-04-2004 09:36									#32
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The first post has been completely updated, including some of the debate in the map thread.

It seems like there's some concensus emerging on some of the key points, but I think we should give it another couple days, so that everyone has a chance to have their say. We should put it to a vote sooner or later, though.

	28-04-2004 13:06									#33
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I would like to propose a vacation mode for the apolytonforum as well. The you snoose you loose theory is nice but i like a break sometimes. And where i'm going internet is not quite as available as on the university or at home.

Furthermore i would like to point out that i like the idea of a sort of moderater. Someone or a few people that see to the rules and who can make offical polls about new changes. This would increase the stability of our rollplay i think.

	28-04-2004 15:11									#34
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yes, people must be able t ohave real lives...

a thread for vacation time would be good ...

	28-04-2004 19:22									#35
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quote: Originally posted by joncha 1. Roleplaying Collective decision making for all region issues (ie, voting on game mechanics, region size, etc.)" 2. Nations and Members A maximum of 3 nations per person. (see limitations under section 3). 3. The Map and Nation placement 1 spot per 500M people, to a maximum of 3. This includes expansion and secondary nations. The size of the locations should be made more uniform. You snooze, you lose. Next time, log on to Nationstates once a month.

I like these ideas.

	28-04-2004 23:25									#36
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3 nations per person

each nation allowed max 3 spots, 1 per 500M

Flinx's "Snoose you lose"
(If you're going away on holiday then say and the spot can be reserved for awhile)

non-god roleplayer

	29-04-2004 08:06									#37
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Updated again, with an attempt made at summarizing what we agree and disagree on.

	29-04-2004 15:11									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin some very mature handling of very difficult situations ..

OOC: Yes, you're absolutely right! My diplomatic skills triumphed again!

	30-04-2004 00:33									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Twilemen That way, for role-playing purposes, a nation can "conquer" the territory for a temporary amount of time.

Another €0.02...

If a nation was conquored in an RP- then the map should retain that nation's details and colours.
If an empty spot was RPed as taken over in a military fashion (i.e. not for the expansion of population) it should remain just that- as an RP- constant colouring and recolouring of the map would get confusing.
This can be represented as the greater community not recognising a nation's claim to an area as they've entered it in a warlike fashion (perhaps?)

*Obviously this wouldn't affect the rule on normal (500M+) secondary nations which would obviously be claimed as long-term (owners would hope for permanant) territories.

	30-04-2004 02:47									#40
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awww you sherking your work load now

but seriously it doenst matter about the map colouring as you say, just palce the conquerers flag over the country till he leaves.

	30-04-2004 03:07									#41
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Good idea, Ras.

	02-05-2004 06:05									#42
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regarding the problem of having ridiculously large populations in small land areas : Can't we make the map scale larger? e.g. countries aren't the size of Egypt or Venezuela, but rather the size of China or Russia. This is clearly an earth-like planet--But no reason why it can't be larger than earth.

	02-05-2004 08:28									#43
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First post updated again.

I'd like to suggest that we move forward on some of these rules, so...

Can everyone go over the "Points of Agreement/Points of Contention" section at the bottom of the first post in the thread?

If there are no objections to the Points of Agreement, I suggest that we adopt them. If anyone has an objection, please post it here in the next 48 hours or so (the time-frame is arbitrary, but I think it fits), and I'll move that issue to the Points of Contention list.

As for the Points of Contention, look them over and suggest any other alternatives (or other issues that might be contentious) in the next 48 hours, so we can vote on them next week.

Hopefully, this will mean that we'll have some official, agreed-upon groundrules by next weekend, so we can put more of our energy back into the roleplaying.

	02-05-2004 09:45									#44
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quote: Originally posted by joncha 1. "vacation mode" vs. "you snooze, you lose" (or, can you reclaim a lost spot?)

I am tending toward "vacation mode," but with a time limit - real world time limit, that is. Maybe 3 monthes. I see no real reason why a new nation has any real legitimate reason on selecting an area where there's an existing nation, given the number of empty areas on the map now.

quote: Originally posted by joncha 2. Size of nations.

Are you saying the size of each area or something else?

quote: Originally posted by joncha 3. whether further expansion (beyond the limit) can be possible through roleplay (and whether that expansion should be temporary or not)

I'd say temporary if this is going to happen.

	02-05-2004 10:01									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Are you saying the size of each area or something else?

Sorry, UR. I meant area, I'll clarify that in the first post. I guess out of the context of a discussion on the official map, it's a little vague.

	02-05-2004 10:34									#46
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Sorry, UR. I meant area, I'll clarify that in the first post. I guess out of the context of a discussion on the official map, it's a little vague.

Okay, thanks.

I think some variations in the size is nice, just make sure the difference is not something like Maldives vs Alaska.

	06-05-2004 04:28									#47
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The first post has been updated again to reflect the rules that everyone seems to be in agreement on. I'll hold off making a poll on the more contentious issues until after the Court gets sorted out.

	07-05-2004 09:53									#48
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[Continued from the Azan thread]

OOC:

joncha, if Sally is Rasputin's girlfriend, I can't see her doing things against him in NS or in this forum. So for all intents and purposes, they are one person.

	07-05-2004 09:58									#49
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Not a very enlightened sentiment, I must say.

I'd say there's two ways to treat it: A) Sally is Rasputin's DL... and he's in deep doo-doo, and B) Sally is in fact a real, living breathing human being, and thus has the right to take part in the forum as she sees fit.

	07-05-2004 10:13									#50
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ok ok, didnt realise that having a friend want to play would casue such crap... ill tell her to leave and be done with it, thought it would be good to have some one i knew playing , but obviously not...

As for her reality, check the pics thread in Apolyton community, her pic in there....

	07-05-2004 10:36									#51
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I really don't think she should leave. That would suck.

	07-05-2004 10:40									#52
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ok well as ur says just let her be assuymed to be under my control . my third nation ...

	07-05-2004 10:43									#53
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She can take one of my spaces... I have no intention of expanding.

	07-05-2004 10:55									#54
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wel lwith my military behind her she might expand

	07-05-2004 11:43									#55
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I agree with Jon, Let Sally play ! What done is is done. Further more her nation is still small it has still potential to develop along the lines of the game.

	07-05-2004 11:48									#56
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especially once we break up !!!! then my nation better watch out, nothing worse than a woman scorned ....

	07-05-2004 13:00									#57
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Well, you know, Drogue and elijah were / are schoolmates / streetmates / whatever. And when they both played I couldn't tell their nations apart without looking at their avatars.

	07-05-2004 13:43									#58
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*chuckle*

Well, like I've already stated elsewhere, I'm okay with Sally and I don't mind Western Apolyton being allied with Auldoninna. That's OOC though.

IC, the Guardinians are stile none too pleased...

	07-05-2004 14:06									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President Well, you know, Drogue and elijah were / are schoolmates / streetmates / whatever. And when they both played I couldn't tell their nations apart without looking at their avatars.

Drogue and elijah did disagree on a number of things.

	08-05-2004 08:44									#60
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Some of the other threads have got me thinking:

Should Apolyton be a nuclear-free zone?


I'd like to hear other people's thoughts first, but (to be brief) I think what is lost in realism is more than made up in gameplay.

Thoughts?