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GeneralTacticus is offline GeneralTacticus
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Well, being able to have wars without the constant potential for total annihilation would be nice...

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Drogue and elijah did disagree on a number of things.


Whatever. I didn't pay that much attention.

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Well, being able to have wars without the constant potential for total annihilation would be nice...

*****!
Nukes add a little spice to the carnage in my opinion.
Of course, it'd really suck if somebody used them, but nobody would be that stupid, right?
Right?

Anyhoo, I don't have anything against chemical or... [spontaneously ejaculates] bioweapons, or anything.

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Holy freakin' sh!t!
Did I write that?
Maybe it's time Australia re-introduced the Purity Police!

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Nukes add a little spice to the carnage in my opinion.
Of course, it'd really suck if somebody used them, but nobody would be that stupid, right?
Right?


In that case, it doesn't make any difference if somebody has it, right?

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Maybe you can say you have them, but if you use them, you are "disappeared" from the region.

For you, think Mutually Assured Destruction: In your universe, we all die.

For the rest of us, your nation is just occulted, in the same way that nations in this game disappear all the time. Our universe survives intact, and we can roleplay your collapse, or just pretend you never existed in the first place.

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good point,,,, fine by me, does that go for biologicial weopon usage too ????

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Maybe you can say you have them, but if you use them, you are "disappeared" from the region.


I could live with that

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only the first person to use them obviously...

i agree.....

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and any use of Biochemical weopons hopefuly will b egreete dby the same reuslt !!!!

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First post updated again (point form only, I'll add a summary of the discussion later).

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well done... this game defienty got better with the likes of great map malkers and organisers arriving ...

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I'd say the above is a good idea, although, really, if both sides of the exchange agree to it for whatever reason, it should be accepted.

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Actually, bio-weapons could be acceptable in some circumstances in my opinion.
i.e. As a plot device, but only if previously agreed upon by the nations concerned.
Any thoughts on that?

If nuclear and bio-weapons are to be effectively 'banned', then I'd like leave to rethink my nation's military spending, as ~60% of the budget would have gone straight down the gurgler.

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oh this for UR who claimed that Nationstates doesnt allow Cloning !!!

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scientists regularly clone human beings for research purposes

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Western Apolyton fully supports research into cloning.

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been awile since any rules update.. id like to see some sort of agreement reached on use of military calculators...

i am willing to work on a spreadhseet to make it as real as possible.. especially if we get some input on what we want it to do ...


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The first post has been updated again (thanks for the reminder, Ras).

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Apparently your reading ability is limited.

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how so ??

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I would love to see something that minimizes population differences somewhat. If you approach population as given in Nation States it will leave anyone under 1.5 billion pretty much out of the game as far as war rps go. If we abstract it to make the 3 billion nations have 5-10 times the 'points' to build their militaries with than newcomers do it would let the small nations stay on the board militarily.

Id say its actually necessary if you want to grow and add roleplayers to the military fun, since new countries will forever be behind the established nations due to the static and uniform population increase inherent in the game. Perhaps rank countries by population with a 1 for the newbies and a 6 for those over 2.5 bil. Rank economy in the same way and multiply to get your base points to spend on your military. Add in bonuses for being in the top ten / twenty in arms production and for some of the national industries that might apply. Throw in some bonuses for government types (UN categories) and some negative bonuses for others. Perhaps some for tax rate.

At any rate you multiply the big factors add in the bonuses and the best a country can get should be around 60 while the smaller countries would be between 1-12. It may not be the most realistic proposal but it would let new people at least ‘field a team’ so to speak.

After that you could multiply everyone’s result by five and then assign costs to military units. I would expect infantry divisions to cost ½ point, motorized infantry 1, tank divisions 2, carrier groups 4 or 5, being in the nuclear club could cost like 10 or 20 points and x amount of multi-warhead ICBM’s cost 2 points.

This is obviously the barest of bare bones proposals, but if there is interest in doing something of the sort I could flesh it out a bit and we could dicker over point costs and bonus amounts.

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Interesting.
Also, could you (you being those nice people like UR and Joncha) do something about the 3+ b. nations who only take up one spot on the map?
I mean, seriously!

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I’m thinking the population should really be taken as a guideline more than as a literal number. Obviously with a modern technology levels the 3 billion countries would be drowning in their own industrial filth at these sizes. Even giving them 3 slots in size would just create three territories drowning in industrial filth rather than one.

To create a realistic map given these kind of numbers, which are evolving daily I might add would require a much bigger map and probably necessitate restricting the region to x amount of larger nations as well as restricting any sort of geographic choice in what ones nation looks like.

Perhaps it would be best to adopt an abstract ideal. Your country always appears to be of x size on the big map, but somehow gets magically bigger on the inside as your country increases in size. If population were gravitons it would make physical sense.

Population I think is better thought of as a gauge of who is bigger than whom. The actual numbers need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

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rather than limiting pop size. perhpas any new nations joining with just a few million are goiung to have to ally with one of the power blocks in the game before throwing their might around.

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I agree with xiaodave. Maybe anyone with under 1 billion population is designated "Small", between 1 and 2 billion "Medium", 2 to 3 billion is "Large", and above 3 billion is "very large".

Then corresponding military modifiers apply.

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Also, what about the issue of orbital weaponry?
There seems to be a divergence over this.

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Well, if you want to get really technical, it should be noted that the issue result doesn't actually say that the country has orbital weapons, merely that billions of are being 'blown' (i.e. wasted) on orbital weapons development. A shitty result for that issue, but there you are.

 
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