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asleepathewheel is offline asleepathewheel
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City of Heroes

Anybody hear anything about this MMORG? I tend to not like these games, but this sounds like something I might like:

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You'll start a new game by creating a superhero from one of five different archetypes and from one of five different backgrounds. The archetypes are: the blaster, a damaging ranged-ability hero; the scrapper, a damaging melee hero; the tanker, a tough melee hero; the controller, a manipulative hero who can stun or confuse enemies; and the defender, a support hero. These heroes can come from one of five different backgrounds, including: mutant, science, technology, magic, or natural. A hero's starting background determines the source of his or her power, whether it be from inborn mutant abilities, superior physical conditioning, or ties to the occult. Background also determines the basis of a new hero's starting "track." That is, background determines what sort of missions will be available to you at the outset of the game, and it also determines what sort of villains you'll face at the beginning. However, you won't be stuck facing the same villains for the rest of your career, since you can change your hero's "track" so that you can face off against different villains and missions later on.



http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/city...ew_6090341.html

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That sounds interesting, but superhero(ine)s are notoriously hard to balance, at least power-wise. The best I have seen is Champions, but it still has some minor problems.

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The website looks pretty cool... but if it ain't free to play online, it's not the game for me.

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You just missed the beta, where it was. I missed that too, but enough people have said enough good things for me to order it. Horizons had potential but just never delivered so its time ot move on.

The way I see it, if a game is still being played after 30 days, its worth a few more dollars. There are so few SP games that can last that long and I'm not a fan of the sort of free multiplayer games you get.

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Usually I hate those MMORPGWhatSoEver, but this one sounds really interesting


Though I don't have enough money to spend $10 a month to play it...

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You just missed the beta, where it was.


Two years ago they said to be able to 'win' a chance to play the beta, all you had to do was to sign up for their forums, but it seems like they've changed this, so to be able to play the beta you had to pre-buy the game

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I want it

but

A) I can nay afford it
B) My puter is craparific
C) My internet connection is even worse than my puter
D) thats all.

Grumbold is offline Grumbold
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Two years ago they said to be able to 'win' a chance to play the beta, all you had to do was to sign up for their forums, but it seems like they've changed this, so to be able to play the beta you had to pre-buy the game


No that is a misunderstanding. Those who were in beta had the opprotunity to pre-order the game at the end and get 3 days head start on the general public.

I'm now having a whale of a time bringing justice to villains on the Victory server.

The hero generator is awesome. I've made 6 toons just to play with the different costumes and have ideas for at least 20 more.

Its a levelling treadmill, there is no doubt about that, but if you ignore the XP bar and just run around being a do-gooder it is a total blast!

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How do the aliens figure into the plot?

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How are the missions so far?

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I've not seen the big bad Rikti aliens but then I've not tried to stray into zones I know are too tough. The mobs at my level are an interesting mix of fantasy, horror and gothic. There are several street gangs of punks whose bosses are more than they appear, with superpowers and shady links to more unsavory types. Then there are mad doctors with armies of zombies, nazi types with mechanoids, clockwork robots of various kinds, a bunch of cultists with magical powers and more.

Missions started simple and are building in complexity. The first tier is a little repetitive but builds in depth if you keep gunning for the same villain types. Some missions have you taking down a few bad guys on the street for clues. These will lead you to a warehouse, cave, sewer or apartment where a plot needs to be foiled. Each plot grows in size and scale but can feel similar if its still the same 3-4 mnster types scaled to your level. Around 15th you can face off against the arch villain of many of the gangs and foil their intentions for good. Apparently you need a friend or three to beat those dudes unless you really know what you are doing.

Others like the 5th Column (nazi) apparently keep building in power. I hate those scum and blast them at every opportunity. That is where this moves away from old style MMOGs for me - I don't care about the "xp", beating up the thugs and getting the gratitude of a passing citizen makes it worthwhile. I make a point of doing good deeds in every zone I pass. Sometimes one swipe is all it takes to clear a bunch of bad guys, other times I may have to unload all my power just to defeat one thug, but inspirations are cheap to replace and it makes me feel goooood

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Wasn't this on the SNES? I mean, without the MMORPG elements...

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  Old Post 06-05-2004 22:41
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How do you build characters, and how are the powers balancing out?

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Is there PvP?

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Is there PvP?
No. You can not roleplay villians either.

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Is there much teamwork, or why is it online?

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No. You can not roleplay villians either.


Well, that's useless.

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I dont know what you mean by powers balancing out. Different heroes are deliberately capable of very different things, with some more solo capable and others more group friendly to give players of different kinds ways of playing they enjoy. Power tweaking will naturally continue for months to come but I have no problem with the ones I have tried.

Superheroes of most types can solo a lot for levels 1-15 but naturally you are encouraged to team up to gain the benefits of mutually supportive powersets and team orientated content. There are whole mission chains that you can only do teamed and as you get higher the more it becomes recommended. Once a few remaining bugs are worked out they should provide a lot of the big incentives.

In the high level zones there are antiheroes that take a small army of players to defeat. The first major update will be bringing more of that with levels 41-50, major war zones and very complex missions. I won't be seeing that for months even if they unlock it tomorrow since 15th is apparently 15% of the way to 40 and its taken me a week

The first expansion will contain playable villains, but its hardly useless to be a superhero in a superhero world.
Anyone who insists the sole purpose of a game is to kill other players might as well stick to Halo or whatever FPS is considered the latest classic. A roleplaying game adds nothing that they need and games like EQ are hardly hurting for customers because they ignored it for years. PvE is what a lot of players want, provided the result is satisfying. The computer enemies are certainly not morons already and the ones with powers know how to use them to mess you up!

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Sounds interesting so far - but $60 Canadian plus $20 per month is perhaps a little too pricey for me

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Is there much teamwork, or why is it online?
IIRC, they have people forming their own version of the JLA, X-Men, etc. It's the games equivilant of guilds.

Grumbold will be the best person to tell you how xp is divided amongst the party taking down a villianous gang.

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Anyone who insists the sole purpose of a game is to kill other players might as well stick to Halo or whatever FPS is considered the latest classic.


I like to actually roleplay in roleplaying games. I know, it's strange. And, in my opinion, you need to be able to have conflict to roleplay - having the freedom to hurt someone if the situation calls for it is crucial to a roleplaying enviroment. As are villians. (and no, NPCs don't count since the computer roleplays worse than a d00d.)

Plus, I don't want to be a do-gooder.

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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Is there not even a seperate PvP server? Even Everqust has a few of those.

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This is probably one of the worst MMOGs for roleplaying. I can't imagine a more boring environment than where every character basically has to be lawful good.


Even in everquest you're atleast able to play 'evil' races... even if you can't do anything particularily evil.

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I dont know what you mean by powers balancing out. Different heroes are deliberately capable of very different things, with some more solo capable and others more group friendly to give players of different kinds ways of playing they enjoy. Power tweaking will naturally continue for months to come but I have no problem with the ones I have tried.


If you pick 2 random characters of the same level, would they have an equal chance of defeating each other? If they can 90% of the time, the powers are extremely well balanced. If they can only 10% of the time, the powers are extremely unbalanced.

How do you generate characters? Do you get to buy powers with a point pool a la Champions (which is probably the best Superhero RPG out there)? How do you spend experience -- do you get to buy extra powers and skills, or do you just get to be better in a generic fashion? Are there a large selection of non-combat skills and powers as well?

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Great questions, I'm interested in the answers as well.

The PvP as goods doesn't bother me, I think I would prefer it over the traditional MMORPG anyway, but if when the villain expansion comes out, you can't fight hero v villain, then its pretty lame.

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I've played plenty of PnP RPGs where the DM has insisted there be no interparty conflict. Didnt stop us roleplaying The villain pack will indeed include PvP but no exact details yet of how it will work.

You can download the manual from www.cityofheroes.com if you want to take a look, its actually pretty good. Essentially you pick a primary skill line (like fire attack) and a secondary (like fire defence) from which your major skills will come as you level up. There are 9 skills in each and they grow with you so your first attack remains useful, you dont outgrow it. You pick 1 of each to start and get a new power every even level. Every odd level you get to add slots to powers you already have. Slots allow you to plug in enhancers to make that power faster, more damaging, longer range, less draining, whatever you want. Added to this you can grab skills from any 10 support pools. These supply things like movement (teleporting, super jumps, flying) leadership, support stuff. In total you get 20 skills by level 38, so you cant buy too many support skills unless you leave out some of your majors.

PvP with these powers is likely to be like DAoC - not good solo but fine in teams. Solo its likely to be whoever unloads first wins, since a controller can usually paralyse an opponent but will die fast if ambushed, blasters can probably kite tanks etc. All these powers will need careful tweaking to make sure they work "fairly" for PvP.

Generating your character involves picking an origin and a character type (blaster, tanker, scrapper, controller, defender) then your 2 skills from 2 major pools open to your type. Then you get to spend ages in the avatar/costume generator perfecting your superhero looks and choose a name. The generator is by far the best I have ever seen. SWG outstrips it for face design I hear, but for overall costume its brilliant. It has to be because until they patch in a costume alteration service (underway) you look the same from birth to retirement.

My blaster just got true flight power (he could hover before, which is a helpful defence for combat but not for movement) and it is a real thrill zooming around the city. I wont pretend the entire game is lag free but its the best I've seen yet and zooming about is a real pleasure. The combat really is 3D, so you can zoom around and throw down fire from above, escape into the air or be sniped at from rooftops. You just have to be sure your enemies can't chase after you. The first one that did gave me a real shock

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Is there a site with a character builder yet? I might still be interested if there are powers and costumes suitable for a General Ludd.... although I think I would have to wait for the villain expansion pack for that.

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This gmae reminds me of Superman 64! what a pot of stemaing crap that was! Seriously, one of the worst games ever!

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SO do you getto design your costume in this game? I'd call that pretty standard for mmorpg's but It doesn't really say much aboot it.

Jon Miller is offline Jon Miller
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just bought it

the wait for the email verification to be able to play it is really long and annoying

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