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CharlesBHoff is offline CharlesBHoff
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We can manufacture ammo faster than they can manufacture ignorant peasants.


America is not too well like around the world lately and I wonder why. Atern Greece was defeast by Sparta when they act too arognate and lost all they allies and the allies refuse to help her in the end.

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America is not too well like around the world lately and I wonder why. Atern Greece was defeast by Sparta when they act too arognate and lost all they allies and the allies refuse to help her in the end.


With grammar this bad I see why people just ignore you.

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As he has explained, he has a learning disability that impairs his writing.

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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With grammar this bad I see why people just ignore you.


Atleast he isn't ignored for his opinions, like some are.

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Atleast he isn't ignored for his opinions, like some are.
He's the ottok Fez.

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Atleast he isn't ignored for his opinions, like some are.


As yourself.

Anyways this is for interest of you guys:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intel.../800-mp-bde.htm

Major General Taguba's investigation into the abuse. The transcripts of the investigation.

Oncle Boris is offline Oncle Boris
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Originally posted by Giancarlo


With grammar this bad I see why people just ignore you.


Not as bad as being ignored for who you are, right?

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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Not as bad as being ignored for who you are, right?.


Well just ask my boyfriend.

Additionally I don't really care about what some forum posters think who I am.

Oncle Boris is offline Oncle Boris
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No one ignores you. You're too entertaining.

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latest from BBC

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Speaking after seeing the unpublished abuse images, Senator Ron Wyden said : "I expected that these pictures would be very hard on the stomach lining and it was significantly worse than anything that I had anticipated."

"Take the worse case and multiply it several times over," he added.


Article Here

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What did the President know and when did he know it?

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Isnt your party line that the president doesnt know anything?

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With grammar this bad I see why people just ignore you.


You arenot that well like either. America is loseing real bad than you worthless idiot are too dumb to see it. The Dutch are mostly the next nation to leave Iraq than Bush colatenion of the unwilling.

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I read somewhere the photo taken of the abuse prinsor are not playing too well with the Dutch than all the parties want to bring they boys home from Iraq includeing the PM own party which can mean than vote of no condience in him.

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Relax. Don't do it Lyndee England!

It's amusing that some should think that American civilization were the inventors of this proud cultural construct of S&M and War, of which the world public has now been privy to a glance thanks to the 'happenings' at Abu Gharib prison.

Already in April 1982 after Argentine took control of the Maldivas the Falkands War S&M was all the hype in England.

One only needs to go to the documentary website www.fgth.org.uk, and then click on the "pre-bang" feature , then play the promovideo named " Two Tribes & Relax Promo; filmed at the hope and anchor pub Islington, North London July 1982."

Here the halfnaked band dressed in leather sings only slightly ironic musings on Man and War, as it were.

Maybe 'hope and anchor' club were frequented by navy personel?

Certainly there is this unnerving connection between this culture of Sadism, Art, Fashion, and War.

Something surreal is happening to our perception of the world, but it is not exactly a paradigm shift . Maybe it points to a kind of 'Anglication' of American culture in some way or another.

But this 'new knowledge' thing is certainly getting out of hand...

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S&M is purley a Eurocom invention that has existed for centuries.

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Ted, would you do PFC Liddy England? The woman smiling and laughing in all those Iraqi prisoner abuse photos...

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No way

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apparantly there's a tape of her having sex with another MP... she's also pregnant with his baby.

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Oh come on Ted, you'd love it. Bark for me.

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gross

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There are two type of vote of no confi in England Parl one change the party or parties in power the other one apply to the PM only than remove the PM from power without changeing the Government. The last time the PM personal vote of no confi insovl than PM who rape than very underage female who refuse to resign his post when ask by his party.

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Atleast he isn't ignored for his opinions, like some are.


Oh, yes he is. :P

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Anybody here familiar with the exact rules of the Geneva conventions?

I read that the Pentagon has declared hooding, sleep deprivation and some other things are within those rules? If so, why is that?

Edit: Just saw it, obviously Wolfowitz has the same weak knowledge of the conventions like me....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...tion/index.html

Last edited by BeBro on 14-05-2004 at 16:35

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apparantly there's a tape of her having sex with another MP... she's also pregnant with his baby.


Make that a number of MPs, and in front of the prisoners.

Weird. Why would anyone want to: a) have sex with her, b) do it in public.

Of course, she was probably just following orders.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.a...255E401,00.html

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But is it art?

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The Abu Ghraib photo gallery of S&M imagery, far from being a prank, is art. Monstrously perverted, even vile, yet the sheer horror of it, calculated to elicit an emotional reaction, qualifies it as such, at least technically, as much as the work of Robert Mapplethorpe. What we are talking about, in this case, is the art of propaganda, or, at least, the nexus where pornography and propaganda meet.

The two forms have much in common. Both are inherently crude, and share a certain hectoring, relentless style calculated to bypass the brain and go directly to the lower cortex with their messages, respectively:

All women are whores (heterosexual),

All men are whores (gay male),

All Arabs are whores (U.S. Department of Defense).

The will to domination permeates the propaganda of the flesh, including the rather specialized variety exemplified by the Abu Ghraib photo-montage of Arabic degradation. Cruelty and role-playing, creating and reinforcing stereotypes of dominance and submission, are key elements of what can only be called pornoganda.


Abu Ghraib and the Pornography of Power

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More horrifying pictures of abuse...

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From article 17

"No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind. "

There are no ifs, ands, or buts, the 'softening up process' and interrogations are contrary to the Geneva convention, provided the Iraqi's being detained are in fact POW's.

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More that will probably have you reaching for that tinfoil hat

9/11 connection. Apparently, Zacarias Moussaoui used Berg's email address for some reason while Berg was at Oklahoma Uni.

Trying to track down a reliable source for this at the moment, but news sources are talking openly about it.

 
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