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DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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The military probably does if it's same sex.
I think the female soldier we've been seeing leading prisoners around on leashes has been putting out. The pics maybe a little too kink for my tastes.

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But the ignorant peasants are clearly in the majority, same as everywhere.


We can manufacture ammo faster than they can manufacture ignorant peasants.

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Who cares if soldiers have sex with each other?


It can be a criminal offense, especially with officers and enlisted, but also with NCO's and enlisted, or under circumstances where there are discipline or duty related issues.

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There are people in EL PASO who want to pass than law to make it illegal for any military person from Fort Bliss to enter the city of El Paso for any reason at all without heavy armed police guard to make sure they donot mistreat the people of El Paso the same way.


You and your friend?

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It can be a criminal offense,
I know it can be. But who outside of the service would give a rat's ass.

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I want to see the rest of the photos.

espeically the ones with the soldiers having sex with each other.

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You just want to see the other soldiers call the Female Domme one mistress.

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We can manufacture ammo faster than they can manufacture ignorant peasants.


Actually, history tends to prove that false.

Weird about the El Paso thing. It sounds like the UK where people tend to distrust and fear the military. They are not particularly popular.

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LONDON, England (CNN) -- As furor grows over the mistreatment of Iraqi detainees, a report from a human rights group has charged that British troops occupying southern Iraq killed a dozen civilians who posed no threat to them.

Many of those killings have not been investigated by the British military, and the families of the victims have not been compensated, according to a report released on Tuesday in London by Amnesty International.

"In several cases documented by Amnesty International, UK soldiers opened fire and killed Iraqi civilians in circumstances where there was apparently no imminent threat of death or serious injury to themselves or others," the report says.

It listed examples of 12 civilians who were apparently killed by British forces under questionable circumstances, including the shooting of an eight-year-old girl who was standing with a group of children when a British patrol moved into her town.

A report on the August 21 shooting incident from the First Battalion of the King's Regiment said mobs threw stones at the troops as they drove into Karmat Ali, and one soldier fired a warning shot to disperse the crowds.

However, Hanan Salih Matrood's family said there was no stone-throwing when the British soldiers moved in.

An eyewitness told Amnesty investigators that a few British soldiers got out of an armored vehicle at the entrance to the alley where Hanan lived.

The witness said a group of children, including Hanan, were attracted by the soldiers and stood more than 70 meters (200 feet) away, observing them.

"Suddenly a soldier aimed and fired a shot which hit Hanan in her lower torso," the report says.

The British soldiers took the young girl to a hospital, but she died the next day.

Hanan's family said British military police took pictures of the scene and interviewed witnesses the day after the shooting.

But no investigation was launched into the killing by British military authorities, according to information from the UK Minister of State for the Armed Forces, the Amnesty report says.

Britain's Ministry of Defense has said that UK forces have been involved in the killing of 37 civilians since May 1, 2003, according to the report.

The report also criticized the process by which Iraqi families could claim compensation for their relatives' deaths, saying it was too difficult and the site where the necessary papers could be obtained was far away and largely inaccessible, especially for poorer families who could not afford to travel.

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"Families are frequently given no information on how to lodge a compensation claim for the killing of their relatives," the report says.

"In some cases, they are given the wrong information, including that responsibility for compensation would rest with a new Iraqi government."

The report also describes political and "moral" killings by armed groups in the British-administered south.

It says dozens of former Ba'ath party members, shopkeepers who sell alcohol and those who sell videos and music have been killed, often in broad daylight, and no prosecutions have been brought.

It says British forces and Iraqi police have failed the people in the south by not preventing such killings or prosecuting and punishing those responsible for them.

Amnesty International called on British authorities to establish a civilian-led mechanism to investigate all suspected killings of Iraqi civilians by British forces and ensure that those forces can communicate with Iraqis by making competent interpreters available.

The group said the report was based on information gathered by its delegates in February and March.

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What I really don't get in all this story is how come the photos were ever taken in the first place... One would think the guards abusing inmates would not want to leave any record of their activity. But here they even pose for the photos!

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they are from western maryland, that is why.

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I'm afraid to ask, but exactly how were the male detainees raped?


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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast...main/index.html

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What I really don't get in all this story is how come the photos were ever taken in the first place... One would think the guards abusing inmates would not want to leave any record of their activity. But here they even pose for the photos!


Yah pretty dumb move which only goes to show even more the level of competence in the prisons.

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What I really don't get in all this story is how come the photos were ever taken in the first place... One would think the guards abusing inmates would not want to leave any record of their activity. But here they even pose for the photos!


The choice that seems to be most bandied about is that the guards were stupid. The other alternative is that the photos were to be used either to pressure the inmates as part of their interrogation or perhaps illegally i.e. non-sanctioned blackmail.

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On the site Gangerolf linked to, is this quote:

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Appearing on CNN's "American Morning," an attorney for Pfc. Lynndie England said the Abu Ghraib photos were "staged" by intelligence officials who were running the prison at the time. England was photographed holding what appears to be a leash attached to the neck of a naked Iraqi prisoner. She faces four charges, including committing an indecent act and assaulting Iraqi detainees on multiple occasions. "They are psychological operations photos," said attorney Giorgio Ra'Shadd.

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I know it can be. But who outside of the service would give a rat's ass.


Pretty much nobody, except for the few lawyers in the civvie world who do military law.

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On the site Gangerolf linked to, is this quote:

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Appearing on CNN's "American Morning," an attorney for Pfc. Lynndie England said the Abu Ghraib photos were "staged" by intelligence officials who were running the prison at the time. England was photographed holding what appears to be a leash attached to the neck of a naked Iraqi prisoner. She faces four charges, including committing an indecent act and assaulting Iraqi detainees on multiple occasions. "They are psychological operations photos," said attorney Giorgio Ra'Shadd.




"I vass only folloving ohrders"

The other line of **** her lawyer is floating out is how she (and the other female soldiers) were victims too, because they were poow widdle girls who were less likely to question or object to orders from those big, nasty, macho, horrible men who gave them orders. *snif*

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I'm guessing these trials won't last long if they can not come up with a better defense than that.

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The other line of **** her lawyer is floating out is how she (and the other female soldiers) were victims too, because they were poow widdle girls who were less likely to question or object to orders from those big, nasty, macho, horrible men who gave them orders. *snif*


This is probably true. She looks so oppressed and unhappy on these pictures.

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If anything, their defense should focus on how undermanned the prison was. 1 personel for every hundred prisoners is a bit ridiculous.

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I don't think that's a mitigating factor for engaging in kinky s & m games with the prisoners.

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No really guys -- those pictures were posed -- they weren't pictures of actual action being carried out.


Just like them Holocaust concentration camp pictures were posed -- so therefore, the Holocaust did not really happen.

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I don't think that's a mitigating factor for engaging in kinky s & m games with the prisoners.


Not specifically, no. But I think it's a reasonable argument to say that such a situation is likely to lead to a break-down of order, and whatever kind of chaos ensues.

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The choice that seems to be most bandied about is that the guards were stupid. The other alternative is that the photos were to be used either to pressure the inmates as part of their interrogation or perhaps illegally i.e. non-sanctioned blackmail.


In a book I was reading once than German Enlist man was part of the Germany Army Command took picture of SS men mistreating people. The SS was unable to stop him from takeing pictures of take his cammeor away as he have the legal authority to take picture anywhere in the occup territory.

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Don't worry, Charlie, your buddies are spreading the love, too.

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Actually, history tends to prove that false.

Weird about the El Paso thing. It sounds like the UK where people tend to distrust and fear the military. They are not particularly popular.


El Paso is than Military town the old time vertan of the army are mad about the new army engauging in Nazie like behaviour on POW. In fact the police arrest than man who threaten the El PasoI Islamic Center by turning it into center of death and destrution sent by E-mail. I than thinking of invisting the world media to the trail so to make sure he doesnot get off the easy.

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I'm guessing these trials won't last long if they can not come up with a better defense than that.


There's not much of a defense that would help them at trial in the face of the evidence in hand that's already in the public domain, let alone in the investigative reports. This is for all the post-trial posturing and attempts to politicize the issue of the poow widdle weservist victims and the big bad army.

I'd guess they're looking for mitigation in sentencing, and/or working the talk show/radio circuit, since they'll all need to find new careers in any event.

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I heard on NPR that the soldier who took the pictures was taking them as evidence of what was going on, or so his father claims.

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If anything, their defense should focus on how undermanned the prison was. 1 personel for every hundred prisoners is a bit ridiculous.


The military is very unfriendly to that sort of defense - the issue at trial will be the specific conduct of the soldiers, not some general complaint about policy and manpower or supervision issues.

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Well Huge number of the people in El Paso are disguise is our military and want to disband it total and form than new one better train.

 
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