29-04-2004 20:16									#1
	Psychological research on MOO3 game and market behaivor. Join! Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I'm doing a psychological resesarch. I'm about to check the correlation between money paid for game and gamer's opinion on the game.
I'll ask your opinion about Master Of Orion 3 and some related things.
You are asked to grade the game from 1 (terribly bad) to 5 (excellent, brilliant). Also you are expected to say how much did you pay for the game (incl. shipment cost). Also please specify if you preordered the game before release. If you tryed a pirated version please say so, MarkG allowed to say that in this particular thread (waiting for his confirmation post here). Also if you had troubles installing the game please tell that.

The research is about effect of cognitive dissonance on marlet behaivor. If i gain enought data for statistical analysis i'll write an article for Apolyton.

Thank you for response.

Also i'd about to warn that i'll pop this thread if it sinks down.

	29-04-2004 20:23									#2
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People bought MOO3

	29-04-2004 20:28									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko People bought MOO3

Yes. Some of them preordered the game before the release date.

Please no offtopic. If you played pirated version of the game please grade it and say that you played for free. It's allowed by MarkG in this thread if we do not descend to offtopic.

If you played legal version please tell your grade and the amount of money paid for it including shippment cost. And again no offtopic here, pls.

	29-04-2004 20:32									#4
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I paid ~$40.00 for it right when it came out. No pre-order, but I got it in the first week it was on the street.

I'd rate it a 2 overall on a scale of 1 to 5, with 3 for the concept and 1 for execution.

No problem installing it, but it was annoying as hell with DirectX Surface Unavailable errors.

	29-04-2004 20:37									#5
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Why did you choose MoO3 for your project?

	29-04-2004 20:39									#6
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Rating : 1 (it puts me to sleep)

Price : $50 + tax

Preorder : Yes (I put down $5 to reserve a copy at Software Etc.)

No problems installing game (or patches)

	29-04-2004 20:46									#7
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quote: Originally posted by muxec Yes. Some of them preordered the game before the release date.

Guilty as charged.


I reserved a copy a week before release and paid a whopping $80 Canadian for it. (including tax) I'd rate it a 1 on a scale of 5 for the poor execution and gameplay, aswell as all the hair-pulling frustration that came along with it. I had no problems installing the game, but I had problems playing it. The copy protection used was not compatible with my CD Drive and I wasn't able to play the game untill I found a no-cd crack, about 3 days after having bought it. My pleas for help (along with many others) where met with deaf ears on the tech support forum, where apparently there was no one there to 'officially' offer help and tech suggestions. Although there where mods there who where more than happy to delete any posts about the no-cd cracks which where neccisary to solve alot of people's problems.

	29-04-2004 20:58									#8
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i bought it at wal mart for about $30 bucks. after reading through the manual several times, searching through walkthroughs and whatnot, i still had a hard time trying to figure out how to play. i found the menus and some of the concepts they used that esoteric.

overal, i rate it a four for concept, and a one for execution.

	29-04-2004 22:44									#9
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quote: MarkG allowed to say that in this particular thread (waiting for his confirmation post here).

this is an authentic MarkG confirmation post

	29-04-2004 22:46									#10
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I played if briefly on my friend's computer. So he paid for it, not I. Dunno what he paid, I suspect around $40.

I'd give it a 2.

-Arrian

	29-04-2004 23:27									#11
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I borrowed a copy from a friend who had installed it. Do you mind if I try it. He said whatever, but you'll regret it. I did. I'd give it a zero for implementation and I couldn't rate the concept because I can't tell what they were trying to accomplish. Worse than Civ3, and that amazing because that would be hard to do on purpose. Pathetic waste of my time.

Speaking of which, you shouldn't do this without getting feedback on whether or not people feel it was worth their time. The kind of money these games cost is meaningful to students but it has absolutely no meaning to working adults. Give me a break, I am going to miss 50 bucks?

There would be no way to do a cost/satisfaction comparision on a product this inexpensive unless you constrict the sample to reflect income status. People are always going to complain about costs when a game sucks anyway...and its meaningless.

	29-04-2004 23:33									#12
	Got spare money?

Cost somewhere between 50-60 bucks Canadian, didn't pre order.

Rate the game a 1.

	30-04-2004 02:05									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Capt Dizle Give me a break, I am going to miss 50 bucks?

Do you randomly go tossing $50 bills around on the street because you won't miss them?

I don't like wasting money unless I intend to waste it, and I don't like overpaying for crap, regardless of the amount.

	30-04-2004 02:09									#14
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Sign me up for $50 too.


I'll even be willing to take payments daily, if you like.

	30-04-2004 04:46									#15
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i didn't buy it, but i played it on a friend's computer. the few hours i had were enough to make me not want to buy it.

	30-04-2004 05:00									#16
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I paid $54 for it. It is one of the worst games I ever bought. It completely trashed the Masters of Orion name. Complete garbage. The game gives the player virtually no control over anything, not reserarch, not planet deveklopment, not even combat. About the only decisions a player gets to make are what ships to put into a fleet and where to send them.
I doubt that there will ever be a MOO4. This game has almost certainly eradicated the MOO line of games.

I'd rate it 0 out of 5.

	30-04-2004 05:00									#17
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I paid $50 plus about $15.00 for the guide.
5 for concept.
1 for execution.

I had trouble with the install. The mouse arrow would disappear whenever I loaded the game. I can't remember what I did for the fix.

	30-04-2004 05:12									#18
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I bought moo3 for 20 dollars(if i sent in the rebates I could have made 2 bucks on the deal).

The game is actually pretty good, if you can get around the various bugs, don't give a rats ass about diplomacy, etc.

I had the long live leaders mod, and spying disabled.

Of course the fighting gets very tedious(namely the 20-30 battles per turn I fight,followed by planetary bombardment,followed by invasion,followed by disbanding troops,leaving a fleet if this is a junction point that I need to control, and moving on to the next system), but I only have myself to blame for being at war with the remaining ~10 empires.

I just can not automate some things, deas I have to place myself, battles I have to fight myself,etc. But the game does a fairly good job of just building everything available to build(deas,planetary stuff,terraforming), and I have the ships I want priced correctly so that I get enough transports,warships(all recon class so that all 10 TF's stay together instead of running into the enemy piecemeal like the ai fleet so often does), and ground troops.

Wiping out the Ithkul was/is tedious. I killed off all 3 ithkul empires but they left some presents in the form of planets with population that aren't connected to empires. Also occasionally I'll run into a planet from another empire with Ithkul, so I glass them if they aren't 100% 1 race, it's the only way to be sure.

	30-04-2004 05:15									#19
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I think hes doing the cost thing because all the people who preordered/bought it soon probably had much higher expectations then people like me, who waited months before getting it .

	30-04-2004 05:45									#20
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$50

3 out of 5 for the first month or so then
2 out of 5 due to the crappy support. I can handle a few bugs or flawed manual issues, but I need to see improvement in the game in a month or two (I'm looking at you paradox) Once the support was pulled, the game lost most of its appeal to me. Great ideas and concepts, but buggered delivery.

	30-04-2004 07:31									#21
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About $50 (if converted to US). Didn't preorder, bought in in the store.

I rate it a 2 out of 5 after patch.

No problems installing.

	30-04-2004 08:11									#22
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I forget how much I paid for it. I think it was either 45 or 55, including shipping. I sorta pre-ordered it: I vowed not to since I was afraid the game might suck, but then as the initial reviews were wonderful, I went ahead and "pre"-ordered it about 3 days before the game was released.

I'll rate it 2/5. I'll agree about the cognitive dissonance in my case though: I really tried to give the game a chance, having blown a lot of money on it. On the other hand, had I picked it up for 10 dollars, I'd probably have felt less obliged to play the game, and thus perhaps keep a better opinion of it due to benefit of the doubt.

	30-04-2004 13:18									#23
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Thank you for information.
Tassadar, Ludd and so on: please no offtopics here.

To make some conclusions i need at least 20 of those who pre-ordered the game 20 of after release buyers and 20 free users. Those who DLded it or used friend's copy please be more active.

	30-04-2004 22:02									#24
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Also even now I can say that some of my expectations were very right : )

	30-04-2004 22:20									#25
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like i said earlier, i tried it on my friend's, so i don't know anything about whether it was patched or not; i don't know if he had any tech problems, 'cause it seemed stable enough when i played it.

i will say this, though: i couldn't figure out what i was supposed to be doing through the entire experience, i couldn't figure out whether anything i did do was affecting anything, i didn't find the battles that interesting, seeing as there didn't seem to be any tactical control, and in the end, i don't remember enjoying much of anything.

my few hours worth of experience with it was enough to convince me not to spend 50-odd on it (as i'd been stung before with bad purchases like CTP and UT2K3 and Civ3-LE (CTP wasn't horrid, though, but not worth 50; Civ3-LE wasn't anything that deserved the term LE; UT2K3 just plain took everything that was good of UT and threw it out.)).

i'd give it an 0/5, moo3.

	30-04-2004 22:23									#26
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I forgot how much I spent on it, but it was just a couple of months ago and it had already made the "bargain" section at best buy.

I had no problem loading it, and read the manual.

Still, I couldn't figure the game out. I played for about 5 hours, and now wish for that time back. It was a complete waste, and I am dumber for having played the game.

	30-04-2004 22:36									#27
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Again, please give grades from one to five. Waste is not a grade.

	30-04-2004 22:38									#28
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I rate it a 1...

	30-04-2004 23:01									#29
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Unfortunately I paid for it, about $45 just after it got released. 2 out of 5 for the first month as I tried to figure the thing out, then couldn't be bothered to play it anymore. Didn't even bother with the patch. No issues loading it, and read the manual and web site message boards for hints, then realized it didn't even matter.

	30-04-2004 23:52									#30
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0 = 1, then.