01-05-2004 09:43									#91
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quote: And so too would Eugene Levy have been much less likely to have had a viable career.

That would've been a tragic loss...

quote: John Candy

Fat-ass and dead.

quote: Martin Short

Annoying. Played a fat-ass. Wish he were dead.

quote: Dave Thomas

Dead. Made great hamburgers, though.

quote: Catherine O'Hara

Who? Is this that dumb ***** who got outacted by Macauley Culkin in the Home Alone movies?

quote: Andrea Martin

Who?

quote: Rick Moranis

Annoying geek. Ghostbusters was a long time ago, buddy...

quote: Harold Ramis

I love the man, but see above.

quote: Robin Duke, Tony Rosato, Joe Flaherty

Who^3? Are these like the Joe Piscopo's of Canada or something?

quote: and Eugene Levy...

Talentless hack. Honestly, how hard is it to act surprised by some kid ****ing a pie?

	01-05-2004 09:51									#92
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Harold Ramis should buy us a pass on all of it, I think. Too bad that Yank had to get his break on Communist Broadcasting Canada, eh?

	01-05-2004 09:59									#93
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quote: Harold Ramis should buy us a pass on all of it, I think.

True enough. I am thwarted...

	01-05-2004 10:48									#94
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quote: Would you find it acceptable if the Canadian content rules were junked, the fees were raised, and the money from the fees were used to fund all of CBC operations?

Why do we need a CBC if we are going down this route? One less deadweight on the overburdened Canadian taxpayer.

Absolutely pointless.

quote: I am proud of Canada for supporting freedom of speech.

Freedom to speak as the government wants? You think they give money to those based on talent, or because they toe the line?

	01-05-2004 11:07									#95
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither John Candy, Martin Short, Dave Thomas, Catherine O'Hara, Andrea Martin, Rick Moranis, Harold Ramis, Robin Duke, Tony Rosato, Joe Flaherty, and Eugene Levy... With a cast like that, why were not New York execs lining up to put them on prime time in the US? Oh wait, they were unknown then.

You mean like Dan Aykroyd, Chevy Chase, John Belushi, Gilda Radner, Jane Curtin, Laraine Newman, and Garrett Morris?

(yes, I know Ackroyd was on SCTV first -- I think the point still stands.)

	01-05-2004 11:30									#96
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Our guys were funnier than your guys any day of the week.

But that simply proves the point. A cast of some talent got its chance to bloom on Canadian television all the while we were also watching the cast of SNL on NBC. Without CanCon, there would have been no SCTV, just SNL on clones of American channels with local news.

The argument for CanCon is not to keep the evil Yankees out. Far from it, as most of our private broadcasters are virtual branch plants of American networks. It is simply to allow Canadian talent a chance at an audience in the shadow of the gorilla that is American media dominance.

	01-05-2004 11:51									#97
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The SNL cast were also "unknowns", so NBC was doing (and is still doing) the same thing CanCon was doing.

Additionally, there were any number of copycat programs done by the other major american Networks designed to compete with SNL (MADTV may be the most familiar nowadays), most of which failed.

The there were what I cal SNL-lites, which were on prime time but followed the same unknowns-in-skit-comedy format, such as The Edge (1992, introduced Jennifer Aniston), The Tracy Ullman Show (1987, gave us the Simpsons), and In Living Color (1990, presented Jim Carrey).

I just realized -- all three were FOX programs...

	01-05-2004 11:54									#98
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In Living Color rocked and helped the world discovery Canadian star Jim Carrey. Where was the CBC on that one?

	01-05-2004 11:55									#99
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Also 10 plus years late.

SNL and SCTV started in the mid-seventies.

	01-05-2004 11:58									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten In Living Color rocked and helped the world discovery Canadian star Jim Carrey. Where was the CBC on that one?

Thankfully, we are not entirely sucking ther public ***. Some of us worm our way down there by different routes. Like Peter Jennings.

Some of us never catch on there. Too high brow for the audience south of the 49th. They would be mostly Newfies.

	01-05-2004 12:00									#101
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God, I hate Peter Jennings. I wonder when Brokaw is finally going to finish him...

	01-05-2004 12:12									#102
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Also 10 plus years late. SNL and SCTV started in the mid-seventies.

The point is, you can no longer say that only public tv would commit to such-and-such because private broadcasting would find it too risky. If that's its only value, then let the mantle be passed.

	01-05-2004 12:26									#103
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These claims that Canadian actors and these shows needed public funding to get their breaks raises the question as to why Hollywood didn't need public funding. The biggest entertainment industry on the planet was a private venture...

	01-05-2004 12:29									#104
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk The point is, you can no longer say that only public tv would commit to such-and-such because private broadcasting would find it too risky. If that's its only value, then let the mantle be passed.

You're not getting it. It isn't just public TV.

CanCon requires that broadcasters here take a small share of the profits garnered by broadcasting here, and use them to develop Canadian talent. The CBC is a whole level beyond that.

If left to their own, private broadcasters would not risk it and would simply go for the safe, already developed American productions, except perhaps for news. For instance, here is a slice of programming from a major Canadian network for next Wednesday.

5pm Oprah
6pm Local news
7pm eTalk Daily. A retarded piece of entertainment trash that People Magazine would be ashamed to own up to, but it is Canadian produced, I think.
7.30pm Jeopardy
8pm Law & order
9pm Corner Gas. The home-grown effort for the evening.
9.30pm American Idol
10pm The West Wing
11pm National news followed by local news
12am The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. This almost counts as CanCon since the host seems almost smart enough to be a Canuck. We await Fox 'outing' him.

The point being that most of the programming is American. Do you have a major fixation over the fact that Canadians expect a small sliver of our airwaves to be populated by Candian programming other than news?

	01-05-2004 12:35									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker These claims that Canadian actors and these shows needed public funding to get their breaks raises the question as to why Hollywood didn't need public funding. The biggest entertainment industry on the planet was a private venture...

I'd love to see you guys cope with a next door neighbour with 3 billion people. It would be really funny to watch you squeal like stuck pigs.

That is the same scale, btw. 30 million - 300 million - 3 billion.

Oh wait, you're already crying the blues about competing with China, and they are an ocean away and only 1 billion. Heh. My heart bleeds for you, darling.

	01-05-2004 12:46									#106
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I just don't see why Canadians are so insistent on pretending they aren't Americans. You are, in everything but name...

	01-05-2004 12:47									#107
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No fixation here.

	01-05-2004 12:49									#108
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See, I thought you were making a "public tv is better/necessary" argument, not a "cultural protectionism is fine" argument.

Carry on.

	01-05-2004 12:50									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I just don't see why Canadians are so insistent on pretending they aren't Americans. You are, in everything but name...

What was that saying?... Oh yeah.

We're bigger than you, and we're on top. That would make you our *****es.

	01-05-2004 13:04									#110
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That's pretty funny stuff coming from a northern Minnesotan...

	01-05-2004 13:07									#111
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Like I've always said. We are safe from invasion since none of you could find us on a map if we gave instructions to you while speaking slowly.

	01-05-2004 13:09									#112
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It's not our fault you all think France is a country to emulate; speak in real English and we might understand you. Pretty simple, eh?

	01-05-2004 13:12									#113
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That's it! We shall confound you by the colour of our flag.

On your map, look way beyond that big splotch of blue on the right (straw foot). Find an island. Look just below that. That's us. Come and get some!

	01-05-2004 13:16									#114
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The fleet is on its way. Your collection of death trap Sea Kings will not stop us...

	01-05-2004 13:21									#115
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You guys wouldn't have the balls to do it. Nevermind that you got strawfoot screwed up and are off to invade Australia.

Sad, sad, couldn't even manage a good invasion of France when given adequate directions from Canada. Tsk, tsk.

	01-05-2004 20:02									#116
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither If left to their own, private broadcasters would not risk it and would simply go for the safe, already developed American productions, except perhaps for news. For instance, here is a slice of programming from a major Canadian network for next Wednesday.

Somethings wrong with the world when I'm agreeing with NYE. He hit the nail on the head.

	01-05-2004 20:04									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Pretty simple, eh?

Gentlemen, our secret plan is working. First Drake, then another Yank and we'll soon have another couple of provinces.

	01-05-2004 20:19									#118
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I can agree with the CanCon as it applies to TV/video.....but what about music? Surely our music industry is mature enough (unlike TV/video) to survive on its own merits now?

NYE?

	01-05-2004 22:24									#119
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quote: There's a huge silence from some people now.....

Why? The government shouldn't be picking and choosing which art to fund. It shouldn't be involved in those sort of time.

	01-05-2004 23:31									#120
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Yeah, even when the film industry that it creates is an economic boon to the country and the Lord of the Rings has generated more tourism publicity than the combined public and private efforts of all New Zealanders in the history of our country.

Naughty government.