01-05-2004 02:41									#31
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There's a thing I've been wondering about for quite a while. On maps of the EU you always see several overseas EU territories like Guyana, Canarias, etcetera. But why are other British and French territories such as the Falkland Islands, French Polynesia, the Kergueles (totally wrong spelling - those islands in the South-Indian Ocean thereabouts) never included? Do they have some special semi-independent status or so?

	01-05-2004 02:43									#32
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I admit I'm paneuropean, the expansion is not jeopardizing the new european millenium IMO.

	01-05-2004 02:48									#33
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quote: In europe the UK still is a player and weigh heavely, that's why 'we' need a clear view, we need to know where he UK stands.

What's the problem with the current set-up? Why "In or out"? Why "you're either with us or against us"?

	01-05-2004 02:54									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac There's a thing I've been wondering about for quite a while. On maps of the EU you always see several overseas EU territories like Guyana, Canarias, etcetera. But why are other British and French territories such as the Falkland Islands, French Polynesia, the Kergueles (totally wrong spelling - those islands in the South-Indian Ocean thereabouts) never included? Do they have some special semi-independent status or so?

I dont know maniac, I believe its purely a technical issue on drawing the maps. Some of the maps didnt include Finland either for example.

Anyway we had fun on the pique-nique, some japanese tourists took photos of us. The onion-pie and the parmesane-olive-paprika pie was incredibly tasty, not to mention the salads, home made batons, and the baked potatoes (rosamunda). Wine was also good as always.

We got sms-messages from all over the europe, this is what the united europe is all about. Being in constant touch with people on the same continent is no different from knowing people from the city nearby.

Go Europe!

	01-05-2004 03:09									#35
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omg check out those fireworks at malta!
The live transmission from Berlin is to be finished by the grand ol Ludwids ode to joy.

Its time! Now we are together as brothers and sisters in this. Together at last. I hope the EU will adapt to respect the will of both the small states and the bigger. Good night Europe, God bless you

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	01-05-2004 03:31									#36
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quote: What's the problem with the current set-up? Why "In or out"? Why "you're either with us or against us"?

I'm not saying with us or against us, there's quite a difference between the the two.
Besides, we not not americans

'Out' wouldn't mean IMO that you would be against us or vice-versa, however, I do feel it would make things easier, any which way.

	01-05-2004 04:14									#37
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I think the Brits should make a clear-cut decision, whether they want to be in or out. Their lukewarm opinion only makes Britain part of an organization it doesn't like, while dragging all the other members of the organization. I think our members should either be enthusiastic about Europe, or sit on the fence (the free trade zone)

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quote: Originally posted by alva I'm not saying with us or against us, there's quite a difference between the the two. Besides, we not not americans 'Out' wouldn't mean IMO that you would be against us or vice-versa, however, I do feel it would make things easier, any which way.

I see less and less difference every day between Europeans and Americans. I dislike flag-waving crap, mindless obidience and exhortations that we need to be strong for strengths sake.

Britain's got a special status of 'troublemaker' in the EU. This is not particularly justified; all the countries start trouble. It's like the difference between working class 'thugs' and middle class 'boys will be boys'.

It's likely that regardless of what Britain does, it will still be regarded as troublemaker. Even if it left the EU altogether, it would still be viewed with the same shifty-eyed suspicion as it is now. 'If only they left' would be replaced by 'if only they hadn't left'. Everything would still be Britain's fault.

I don't deny that British peoples attitudes towards Europe are neither well-informed nor rational. However, I also consider the views of the rest of Europe to be pretty similar, both regarding Britain's undeserved badboy status and their views on Europe. Glory, power, strength and other nationalistic desires are at least as dangerous as Britain's petty xenophobia.

	01-05-2004 05:52									#39
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quote: I dislike flag-waving crap

So do I, in fact it scares me.

	01-05-2004 17:54									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac There's a thing I've been wondering about for quite a while. On maps of the EU you always see several overseas EU territories like Guyana, Canarias, etcetera. But why are other British and French territories such as the Falkland Islands, French Polynesia, the Kergueles (totally wrong spelling - those islands in the South-Indian Ocean thereabouts) never included? Do they have some special semi-independent status or so?

Not sure about all the territories you mentioned but for example the Falklands are still disputed between the UK and Argentina, although both sides agreed (some years after the 82 war) to solve this peacefully.

	01-05-2004 18:03									#41
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in the map, does light purple stand for "never to be accepted"?

	01-05-2004 18:05									#42
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I like this picture from the German-Czech border

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	01-05-2004 18:08									#43
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azazel, prolly

Anyway, too little press about this and media in Finland. You hardly even know new countries joined in. Now let's get this straight so there will be no confusions. You will be our slaves and makes us, the old EU flourish. You also get to be our army and watch our interests overseas. So remember to WORK HARD with LOW SALARIES! Also keep the prices low so we can come and go on shopping frenzies, meaning you have to get some more international businesses there so there will be actually something to buy.

This does not include our friends Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. They are to be full members because they are our friends.

Just wanted to get it out of the way.

	01-05-2004 18:43									#44
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Welcome!

	01-05-2004 19:27									#45
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Congrats Europe! Go EU! Do you folks have a nickname yet? A mascot? You've got to have a nickname and a mascot.

	01-05-2004 20:04									#46
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What's the United States' nickname? "The Great Satan"?

	01-05-2004 21:02									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed What's the United States' nickname? "The Great Satan"?

Something like that. In which case, being Satan mustn't be all bad, judging from the number of legal and illegal immigrants arriving all the time.

	01-05-2004 21:18									#48
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US is "The Great Satan" and EU is "Satan's Final Empire". That, if anything, should prove the strong, transatlantic bonds

	01-05-2004 21:20									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid US is "The Great Satan" and EU is "Satan's Final Empire". That, if anything, should prove the strong, transatlantic bonds

Spooky!

Then who gets to wear the "white" hats?

	01-05-2004 21:22									#50
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Btw, just another 25 to go now

	01-05-2004 22:16									#51
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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy Congrats Europe! Go EU! Do you folks have a nickname yet? A mascot? You've got to have a nickname and a mascot.

How's this for a mascot?



It's the dog of a German with the arrogance of a Frenchmen, the dental works of a Brit, the rudeness of a Dutchman, the decadence of an Italian, the cigar of a Spaniard, made by the cheap labour of a Pole -- Triumph is the personification of Europe

	01-05-2004 22:18									#52
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he we dutch arent rude...are we?

	01-05-2004 22:26									#53
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Not by our own standards, but that doesn't really count now does it?

Our directness and honousty (even when the truth is not pretty) are sometimes seen as rather inappropriate and rude in countries where people are less... direct


As is also testified in this top 10:

quote: Top 10 reasons for being Dutch: 1) You can get arrested for growing plants, but not for smoking them. 2) You can make jokes about the Belgians and still drink their beer. 3) a. You can legally kill yourself b. You can legally be killed. 4) You're exactly like the Germans, except that nobody hates you. 5) You think you are a world power, but everyone else thinks Copenhagen is your capital... 6) You get to insult people and defend yourself by saying it's a national tradition. 7) You can put your finger in a dyke and it will save your country. 8) You live in the most densely populated country in Europe, and still you've never seen your neighbours. 9) If the economy is bad, blame the Germans. If a war is started, blame the Germans. If you lose your keys, blame the Germans. 10) Bikes are public property. Locks are a challenge.

Edit: dyke is censored? Oh well, works in this case

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quote: It's the dog of a German with the arrogance of a Frenchmen, the dental works of a Brit, the rudeness of a Dutchman, the decadence of an Italian, the cigar of a Spaniard, made by the cheap labour of a Pole -- Triumph is the personification of Europe

And where do we come in here ?

C'mon, we co-started this whole thing.
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quote: he we dutch arent rude...are we?

You certainly are loud and outspoken.

quote: 4) You're exactly like the Germans, except that nobody hates you.

I'd change germans with americans.

	01-05-2004 22:50									#55
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quote: Originally posted by alva And where do we come in here ?

You are that detail that noone will notice

EDIT: Btw, I assume the Swedish and Finnish parts were cropped out due to forum rules (hint: take a look at a Euro coin)

	01-05-2004 23:48									#56
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That top ten list is completely true.

Hup Holland!

	02-05-2004 00:00									#57
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Yay! Soon Europe will unite all of Europe!
Oh wait. No it won't, because it doesn't consider Russia european.

Nevermind

	02-05-2004 00:01									#58
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Russia in the EU would never work. In Europe, we sweep the floors. But in Mother Russia, FLOOR SWEEPS YOU!

	02-05-2004 00:16									#59
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Gahnikr!

	02-05-2004 00:24									#60
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quote: Originally posted by alva And where do we come in here ?

You're the politically correct whinger on the sideline correcting all the jokes

quote: You certainly are loud and outspoken.

That's just true for Hollanders, not all other Dutch

quote: I'd change germans with americans.

Hey, just 'cuz our PM is a Christian fundie doesn't mean the rest of the country is