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Technical University of Ilmenau, Germany
Oct 2002 time: 06:35
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Greetings!
This is based upon Foolish´s NES, but because of mod change and several innovations that were implemented I have started a new thread. Here I can edit the first posts to update player stats myself, which IMO is a very important point.
Now here´s the Story:
Phillip II, king of Macedonia, managed what neither Athens nor Sparta have ever done: The unification of Greece. In 338 b.c. he broke the last resistance during the decisive battle of Chaironeia, ending the Attic Federation as well as the Booitian one.
He founded the "Corinthian Union", which consisted of all mainland greek except for the Spartans. One year later he turned east to the archenemy of the Greek: Persia! Just days before he could start the planned invasion he was murdered for political reasons.
His son, Alexander, succeeded him as king of Macedonia and leader of the Corinthian Union. The young man took his father´s army and secured the homefront.
To the north, he had beaten the savage tribes back over the Danube river. The city of Thebes revolted against the macedonian garrison, but Alexander swiftly defeated the insurgents, obliterated the city and sold the citizens into slavery. After that campaign was finished, noone dared to question his rule over the area; So he finally crossed the Hellespond near Abydos in early 334 b.c. in order to conquer the Persian Empire!
The first true battle of this war took place on the banks of the river Granikos. Alexander fought - as always - in the first line of battle; His impetuous charge only succeeded because of the Persian inability to deploy the different troop types properly. However, during this battle Alexander saw himself in a fatal situation. Only his friend Kleitos´ quick action could save the warlord´s life.
Now what would have happened if Kleistos hadn´t been there? What if Alexander the great would have fallen in the first battle of the Persian war?
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Scenario:
- Macedonia lost Alexander the Great - the army is leaderless and thus in great trouble
- Athens and Sparta regain power because of the turmoils following Alexander´s death
- The Persians were awakened, injured and insulted, but not slain
- Greek colonies along Asia Minor´s west coast revolt against Persia, almost one third of the peninsula follows
- Rome slowly rises in Italy, but finds itself surrounded by equally-sized kingdoms
- Carthage expands into Spain, growing richer and richer, but also more and more decadent
- Eqypt has broken apart from Persia, but doesn´t have access to the sea
- Magna Graecia, a federation of Greek colonies in the Western mediterranean Sea, frequently switches sides in the local quarrals, resulting in bad reputation and resentment from all sides
- Celtic tribes from the north ravage border provinces of Italy and Greece
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How to play:
Simply chose a country and start ruling it!
However, this is to be kept realistic. The mod will determine the outcome of battles and the mod will also do NPC diplomacy. Plus, he will put in surprises and events from time to time, which will have impact on gameplay...
Another important issue is your economy:
You will find a preset figure indicating you annual income; Of course you can influence this figure, but changing it is also a monopoly of the mod 
The better you explain your actions and moves, the better the outcome will be. Good roleplaying is required for this NES.
Your wealth is measured in "talents". It was a very strong currency, meaning a single talent was worth a whole lot for one person. For example, a talent was enough to either buy 30 slaves or 20 horses.
In this game, you can invest your money into basically everything you want. The more money you invest, the better the outcome. Examples are new colonies (20 ~ 150 talents), forts (10 ~ 50 talents), new trade routes (5 ~ 50 talents), searching for mineral resources (5 ~ 30 talents) in a certain area, improving training of your military (10 ~ 150 talents), funding new buildings/wonders (10 ~ 500+ talents), funding public baths, supporting the poor with free food, ...
You can be very creative here, but please keep it somewhat realistic...
Your army and navy is free for restructuring. You can divide it into different armies or merge it all into a giant one. Each army can be named and stationed wherever you want (again, keep it realistic). You will find a starting army that roughly represents the authentic figures of that time. With your annual income, you can train new troops, build new ships or hire mercenaries to fill your ranks; A price-list is issued below. When your military grows, your income will decline, and vice-versa. This is to represent upkeep. I have experimented with fix upkeep costs for several hours, but it didn´t work the way I wanted it to. So this is my solution to this problem... 
Price List (numbers you get for 1 talent)
200 light infantrists (militia)
- peasants drafted into the army
- equipped with pitchforks, flails, clubs, bows and tools in general
- no armour at all
- good in desert and mountainous areas, bad vs. cavalry

125 foot soldiers (regulars)
- usual infantry regulars
- equipped with spears, daggers, javalines, bows
- lightly armoured (leather)
- fast but vulnerable to cavalry; can evade heavy infantry

70 horsemen
- light cavalry
- equipped with spears or swords
- usually lightly armoured, leather shield or none at all
- very fast, but vulnerable to spears (hoplites)

80 hoplites [Athens, Sparta, Macedonia, Magna Graecia, Bosporian Greek, Crete]
- heavy elite infantry
- equipped with extremely long spears
- heavily armoured
- several lines deep formations; lethal to cavalry

70 swordsmen
- heavy infantry
- eqipped with swords or warblades
- lightly armoured to ensure speed and freedom of movement
- good allround warriors, though vulnerable to distance weapons

70 legionaries [Rome]
- core of the Roman Legions
- different troop types equipped with spears, javalines and short swords
- good armour, metal shields
- very disciplined and well-trained in a vast variety of tactics

65 immortals [Persia]
- Persian elites, used as the royal guards
- Mixed force including swordsmen, archers, javaliners, pikemen and camel riders

65 Hetaires [Macedonia]
- Macedonian Compagnion Cavalry
- equipped with spears and swords
- armoured and shielded
- fearsome charge!

25 war chariots [Persia, Egypt]
- horse-drawn armoured chariots
- crew equipped with bows, javalines and spears
- chariot equipped with scythes
- very fast, deadly to infantry, needs flat terrain

4 war elephants [Carthage]
- trained elephants
- crew equipped with bows or javalines
- elephants may be armoured

1 trireme (costs 3 Talents!!!)
- mighty ram-equipped warship, very maneuverable
- can carry troops

Last edited by Micha on 24-01-2005 at 15:32
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Micha

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Technical University of Ilmenau, Germany
Oct 2002 time: 06:35
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Game Map - 285 b.c. (333 kB)
--- updated ( Turn 11 ) ---
PLAYER STATS (285 b.c.)
Kingdom of Macedonia
Ruler: Foolish Icarus
Economy
Income: 96 talents per turn (+2 less corruption at gold mine)
treasury: 64 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Good (78%) (+4% training)
- "Alexander´s Army" - Illyria - 3,993 Hetaires; 757 horsemen; 158 swordsmen; 10,964 hoplites; 4,910 foot soldiers
- "Macedonian Army" - Adrianopolis - 150 Hetaires; 12,000 foot soldiers
- "Trapezunt Defence Force" - Trapezunt - 2,000 horsemen; 3,000 foot soldiers
- "Attic Defence Force" - Athens - 7,500 hoplites; 1,000 swordsmen; 13,000 foot soldiers
- "Expedition Force" - Herakleia - 500 hetaires; 500 hoplites; 6,000 foot soldiers
- "Naval Force" - Macedonian Fleet - 85 light infantry
- "Southern Guard" - Alexandrograd - 1,000 hoplites
- [Moesia] "Eastern Moesian Tribes" - Illyria - 1,030 horsemen; 6,280 foot soldiers
Navy
- "Macedonian Battlefleet" - Olynthos - 50 triremes
- "Attic reserve fleet" - Athens - 35 triremes
- "Pharos Fleet" - Alexandrograd - 40 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Tech Level:
Discontent: minimal (2%)
Secret Police: Adequate
Government: Kingdom with supreme leader and subject nobles
Persian Empire
Ruler: Bipolarbear
Economy
Income: 90 talents per turn (-16 lost satrapies)
treasury: 0 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Mediocre (50%)
- "Phrygian Army" - Phrygia - 1,500 horsemen; 4,200 swordsmen; 9,000 foot soldiers
- "Army of the West" - Sidon - 500 war chariots; 1,000 swordsmen; 2,995 horsemen; 15,122 foot soldiers, 500 light infantry
- "Mesopotamian Army" - Babylon - 900 war chariots; 4,000 foot soldiers
- "Eastern Army" - Persepolis - 1,000 war chariots; 4,000 horsemen; 6,000 foot soldiers
- "Assyrian Army" - Aleppo - 2,000 swordsmen; 2,000 horsemen
- "Armenian Army" - Melita - 2,000 horsemen
- "Pisidian Loyalists" - Iconion - 500 war chariots; 2,000 horsemen; 6,000 foot soldiers
- "Army of Cappadocia" - Mazaka - 3,000 horsemen
- "Tarsos homeguards" - Tarsos - 1,500 horsemen; 1,000 swordsmen; 10,000 foot soldiers; 1,000 light infantry
- "Army of Egypt" - Gaza - 2,880 war chariots; 7,390 horsemen; 2,600 immortals; 1,468 swordsmen; 12,057 foot soldiers; 379 light infantry
- "Cypros garrison" - Salamis - 1,000 light infantry
- "Jerusalem immortals" - Jerusalem - 1,000 immortals
- "Lower Cappadocian Army" - Tyana - 500 war chariots
- "Attur Garrison" - Attur - 1,000 foot soldiers
Navy
- "Persian Invasion Fleet" - Tyros - 43 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Limited
Tech Level:
Discontent: Fair (26%) (+2% defeat, +5% revolts)
Secret Police: Good
Government: Multiple nations combined under the absolute rule of an emperor.
- All subjugated provinces pay tributes!
Sparta
Ruler: NPC
Economy
Income: 25 talents per turn
treasury: 0 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Good (85%)
- "Spartan Elites" - Sparta - 21,000 hoplites; 6,890 swordsmen; 4,500 horsemen
- "Rhodos Defence Force" - Rhodos - 2,000 foot soldiers
Navy
- "Spartan Fleet" - Argos - 26 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Scattered
Tech Level:
Discontent: Significant (11%)
Secret Police: Adequate
Government: Alliance dominated by Sparta, limited suffrage consensus-democracy under a rigid code of law.
- infantry cost 3 talents less per 1,000 men
Lydia
Ruler: NPC
Economy
Income: 38 talents per turn
treasury: 2 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Fair (53%)
- "Lydian Army" - Sardes - 8,000 horsemen; 15,000 foot soldiers
- "Army of Milet" - Miletos - 3,500 hoplites; 6,000 foot soldiers
- "Southern Army" - Aspendos - 5,000 horsemen; 3,000 hoplites; 5,000 foot soldiers
- "Asia Minor Army" - Ephesos - 2,500 horsemen; 4,000 foot soldiers
Navy
- "Lydian Fleet" - Miletos - 47 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Inadequate
Tech Level:
Discontent: Some (8%)
Secret Police: Adequate
Government: Kingdom
Magna Graecia
Ruler: NPC
Economy
Income: 27 talents per turn
treasury: 2 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Average (54%)
- "Army of Sicilia" - Syracuse - 6,500 hoplites; 14,000 foot soldiers
- "Army of Massilia" - Massilia - 2,305 hoplites; 5,640 foot soldiers
- "Army of Nicaea" - Nicaea - 2,000 hoplites
- "Adria garrison" - Adria - 6,000 hoplites; 3,000 horsemen; 6,750 foot soldiers
Navy
- "Western fleet" - Tarent - 75 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Inadequate
Tech Level:
Discontent: Some (7%)
Secret Police: Adequate
Government: Alliance of city state ruled by dictator, occasional aristocratic councils
Carthage
Ruler: Lord Nuclear (aka Nuclear Master)
Economy
Income: 62 talents per turn
treasury: 0 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Fair (68%) (+5% elite leaders)
- "Carthage Defence Force" - Carthage - 25,000 foot soldiers
- "Cyrenaican Army" - Cyrenaica - 58 war elephants; 6,582 horsemen; 10,370 foot soldiers; 2,120 light infantry
- "Hispania Army" - Carthago Nova - 1,500 light infantry
- "Carthagian volunteers" - Carthage - 5,500 light infantry
- "Home Guard" - spread in core cities - 1,500 foot soldiers
Navy
- "Cathage Battle fleet" - Carthage - 11 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Indequate
Tech Level:
Discontent: Some (6%)
Secret Police: Basic
Government: Oligarchy with magisterial rule
Roman Empire
Ruler: Laurentius
Economy
Income: 65 talents per turn (+5 less upkeep)
treasury: 32 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Good (76%) (+1% training)
- "Legion I Romana" (Publius Cornelius Scipio) - north of Padus River - 3,733 legionaries; 2,527 horsemen; 490 foot soldiers
- "Legion II Italica" (Fluvius Camillus) - north of Padus River - 3,496 legionaries; 558 horsemen
- "Legion III Latina" (Marcus Aemilius) - north of Padus River - 3,130 legionaries; 584 horsemen
- "Legion IV Augusta" (Publius Cornelius Scipio) - north of Padus River - 4,021 legionaries; 86 horsemen; 440 foot soldiers
- "Siege army" - Rome - 500 foot soldiers
- [Magna Graecia] "Apulian Guards" - north of Padus River - 3,745 hoplites
- [Liguria] "Ligurian Army" - Pisae - 14,565 foot soldiers
Navy
- "Roman Fleet" - Neapolis - 73 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Inadequate
Tech Level:
Discontent: Some (5%)
Secret Police: Basic
Government: Patrician Republic (Rome) dominates ally and subject states
- cheaper colonies when land connection to capital
Egypt
Ruler: appleciders
Economy
Income: 58 talents per turn
treasury: 7 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Average (50%)
- "Pharao´s Army" - Thebes - 1,365 war chariots; 7,899 horsemen; 4,000 swordsmen; 4,279 foot soldiers
Navy
Notes
Empire Rating: Inadequate
Tech Level:
Discontent: Some (13%) (+5% war weariness)
Secret Police: Adequate
Government: Bureaucratic kingdom
Bosporian Greek
Ruler: NPC
Economy
Income: 20 talents per turn
treasury: 21 talents
Army
Military Effectiveness: Average (54%)
- "Crimean defence force" - Chersonesos - 2,000 horsemen; 7,500 foot soldiers
- "Army of Olbia" - Olbia - 3,500 horsemen; 12,000 foot soldiers
- "Istros garrison" - Istros - 1,000 hoplites
- "Tanais Garrison" - Tanais - 2,000 hoplites
Navy
- "Crimean fleet" - Chersonesos - 15 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Inadequate
Tech Level:
Discontent: Some (8%)
Secret Police: Adequate
Government: military alliance of city states, limited democracy
Crete
Ruler: NPC
Economy
Income: 26 talents per turn
treasury: 1 talent
Army
Military Effectiveness: Average (55%)
- "Cretean Army" - Crete - 2,000 hoplites; 5,000 horsemen; 12,735 foot soldiers
- "Aegian Army" - Aegian Islands - 2,000 swordsmen; 6,500 foot soldiers
Navy
- "Cretean Fleet" - Knossos - 28 triremes
Notes
Empire Rating: Inadequate
Tech Level:
Discontent: Some (6%)
Secret Police: Adequate
Government: Tyranny
Other Armies
- "Celtian Horde" - Alpes - 6,020 horsemen; 3,320 foot soldiers
- "Aquilejan Tribes" - Aquileja - 4,000 horsemen; 14,000 foot soldiers
- "Southern Gauls" - near Genua - 3,846 horsemen; 10,115 foot soldiers
- "Scythian Tribes" - Crim Peninsula - 7,000 horsemen; 14,000 foot soldiers
- "Scythian Nomades" - North of Olbia - 14,500 horsemen
- "Scythian Nomades II" - Northeast of Olbia - 8,500 horsemen
- "Nubian Tribes" - Southern Egypt - 19,000 foot soldiers
- "Lybian Nomads" - Western Egypt - 6,500 horsemen
- "Arabian Tribes - Arabia - 12,000 horsemen; 7,500 foot soldiers
- "Sinai tribes" - Sinai - 3,500 horsemen
Other Navies
- "Eastern Mediterranean Sea Pirates" - Beleares - 38 triremes
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Technical University of Ilmenau, Germany
Oct 2002 time: 06:35
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Note that this is only a draw for a possible future NES and has nothing to do with the current one!| ID | Country | Type | Name | Number | Cost | Upkeep | Special1 | Special2 | | AB-01 | MAC, ROM | artillery, battle | catapults | 10 | 10 | 0 | great dmg. | | | CH-01 | MAC | cavalry, heavy | Companion cavalry | 1200 | 35 | 6 | elite | | | CH-02 | PER | cavalry, heavy | Cappadocian cavalry | 1500 | 25 | 6 | | | | CH-03 | PER, CAR | cavalry, heavy | war elephants | 20 | 12 | 4 | fearsome | | | CH-04 | PER | cavalry, heavy | Scythed Chariots | 500 | 22 | 5 | fearsome | only flat terr. | | CH-05 | EGY | cavalry, heavy | war chariots | 500 | 20 | 5 | only flat terr. | | | CH-06 | X | cavalry, heavy | MERC: Celtic horsemen | 900 | 9 | 9 | high morale | | | CL-01 | CAR | cavalry, light | Numidian cavalry | 1000 | 18 | 5 | ranged | desert (++) | | CL-02 | ROM | cavalry, light | Equites | 600 | 10 | 3 | | | | CL-03 | X | cavalry, light | MERC: Illyrian horsemen | 1200 | 9 | 9 | fast | hills (++) | | CL-04 | PER | cavalry, light | Satrapal Cavalry | 2000 | 16 | 8 | low morale | | | CL-05 | PER | cavalry, light | Pisidian cavalry | 1500 | 18 | 7 | | | | CL-06 | X | cavalry, light | MERC: Pisidian cavalry | 1500 | 10 | 10 | | | | CL-07 | MAC | cavalry, light | Thracian Horsemen | 1000 | 16 | 5 | flexible | | | CR-01 | X | cavalry, ranged | MERC: Thracian horse archers | 900 | 9 | 9 | fast | | | IH-01 | MAC | infantry, heavy | Argyraspid phalanx | 1200 | 14 | 3 | shock | | | IH-02 | ROM | infantry, heavy | Principes | 600 | 16 | 2 | ranged | | | IH-03 | MAC | infantry, heavy | Thureophoroi phalanx | 1600 | 20 | 4 | shock | flexible | | IH-04 | ROM | infantry, heavy | Triarii | 600 | 14 | 3 | elite | | | IH-05 | PER | infantry, heavy | Immortals | 2000 | 35 | 6 | elite | | | IH-06 | X | infantry, heavy | MERC: Spartan hoplites | 1200 | 10 | 10 | elite | | | IH-07 | X | infantry, heavy | MERC: Celtic axemen | 1000 | 8 | 8 | high morale | | | IH-08 | X | infantry, heavy | MERC: Bastarnae Swordsmen | 900 | 8 | 8 | anti-armor | | | IL-01 | MAC | infantry, light | Hypaspists | 1000 | 14 | 2 | flexible | fast moving | | IL-02 | MGR, BGR, MAC, LYD | infantry, light | Iphikratean hoplites | 1200 | 12 | 2 | long pike | | | IL-03 | CAR | infantry, light | Iberian infantry | 1000 | 10 | 1 | anti-spear | | | IL-04 | ROM | infantry, light | Hastati | 600 | 7 | 1 | ranged | | | IL-05 | X | infantry, light | MERC: Iphikratean hoplites | 1200 | 8 | 8 | long pike | | | IL-06 | PER | infantry, light | Eastern infantry | 2000 | 15 | 2 | low morale | | | IR-01 | MGR, BGR, MAC, LYD | infantry, ranged | Greek peltasts | 1200 | 8 | 1 | weak melee | | | IR-02 | CRE | infantry, ranged | Cretan Archers | 600 | 10 | 1 | long range | | | IR-03 | PER | infantry, ranged | Cilican javalinemen | 2000 | 8 | 1 | | | IR-04 | ROM | infantry, ranged | Velites | 600 | 8 | 1 | | | IR-05 | X | infantry, light | MERC: Greek peltasts | 1200 | 6 | 6 | weak melee | | | IR-06 | X | infantry, ranged | MERC: Cretan Archers | 700 | 5 | 5 | long range | | | IR-07 | X | infantry, ranged | MERC: Cilican javalinemen | 1600 | 7 | 7 | | | | S-01 | X | warship | triremes | 20 | 30 | 2 | | | | S-02 | ROM, MAC, CAR, PER | warship | quinquiremes | 20 | 40 | 3 | | | | S-03 | ROM, MAC | warship | polyremes | 20 | 50 | 4 | | |
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Technical University of Ilmenau, Germany
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ORDERS FROM THE OTHER THREAD
(Please Note: Due to a map change, the Province of Nabataea has been replaced by Palaestina)
quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus
325 to 321 BC
King Antigonus of Macedon had worked long and hard to gain power and he was not about to let any of it slip away. The diplomatic situation was stable for the time being, but events threatened to once again throw the region into chaos sometime soon. Even more pressing was the situation at home. The countryside nobles stubbornly held onto every scrap of influence they could, sometimes perpetrating actions on the verge of open rebellion. They had been ironed out under Antigonus’ two predecessors, Philip and Alexander, but in the period of chaos following Alexander’s death they had picked up some of their “bad habits” again. Now it was time to rule . Following Philip’s example, which had lapsed during Alexander’s short reign and the period afterwards, Antigonus reintroduced the system of selection for officials : The king would appoint the most capable and loyal, to better control his populace and his wayward nobles. Antigonus also had a knack for playing enemy aristocrats against each other. The disobedient would be penalized, and the loyal would be rewarded at the disobedient’s expense. In this way power was moving more firmly into the hands of the throne and being executed by a more capable staff of bureaucrats.
Antigonus also drilled the army rigorously and sent them on tasks to keep them both capable and firmly under his control.
Macedonia is also sending delegates to treat with the barbarian tribes to the north, to discover their strengths, weaknesses, and relations with neighboring tribes in order to be able to exploit and manipulate any advantages in the future. In aid of this and other diplomatic relationships, Antigonus has expanded the embassorial corps, both to keeo a pulse on other nations...and to watch over things at home.
Macedon to Graecia Magna :
We both hold strategic positions in this world of ours, threatened by adversaries but also holding key tactical and trade locations. For the benefit of both of us, we suggest a military and naval alliance, to better cement our security.
To Lydia :
Hello. Persia stirs again, so shortly after she was last beaten. Do you want to be enslaved again? Do you want to be enslaved again? Persia already bites at Egypt, and has shown a ready inclination to come our direction. We propose and alliance to fend off against any enemies. Perhaps we could also increase our trade in order to strengthen the coffers of our kingdoms?
To Athens :
At odds with the rest of Greece, you are weak. Join an alliance with us, and Sparta will not be able to challenge you, and you |
quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear
Persia to Macedon and Lydia
We only seek to take back wha tbelongs to the Persian people. We are in the midst of an inner turmoil, and we feel that to truly unite the people of Persia, we need all fo them. We do not wish to be violent. Should the Egyptian territories wish to form a strong alliance with Persia, we would much rather do so.
Persia to Lydia, and Ionia
Persia would like to appeal to to Ionia, and Lydia, to ally with them to promote worldwide peace. To show them our good faith, we would like delgates to attend a special Peace Festival on the wonderful Island of Cypros. To attract the countries to the Pece Festival, we have invited the world famous actor
Morgan Freeman to atend hte conference. |
quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus
Macedon to Persia :
well...so long as we don't have any redos of "Darius' Big Adventure" or "Big Adventure II: Xerxes Strikes Back" |
quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear
Persia to Macedon
We will do all that is in out power to prevent such a travesty |
quote: Originally posted by Micha
NPC Diplomacy
Egypt to Persian Empire
Your power is on the decline, and soon your rule will have come to an end. We do not wish to ally with barbarians, and that is what you are!
We will fight you wherever we meet, until either one of us is annihilated! And according to our seers, it will be your little kingdom that will sink into the dusts of time!
News (not an update yet!)
Pharao Echnaton IV. has managed to rally a rather big army around him. He openly states his intention to march deep into Persian territory, and the locals seem to support him in that.
The small kingdom of Cyrenaica seems to have allied with him.
The Satrap of Palaestina asks his Persian king for help, as he will be the first target of the Egyptian army.
Carthage to Persia
Seems as if you were in troubles? Well, we haven´t forgot your bloody war against Phonicia, our motherland, but we also see the advantages of allying with you in these times. While marching against Persia the kingdoms of Cyrenaica and Egypt are left defenceless, which raises a unique opportunity to strike.
We demand yearly shipments of Indian and Mesopotamian luxury goods in exchange for a military alliance against Egypt and Cyrenaica. |
quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear
Persia t oEgypt
You have shown yourself to be agaisnty peace, adn thereby anti communist. Die scum!!!!!!!
Persia to Carthage
sure thing buddy
Persia to Satrap
Yes, but only in exchange for money, providing we are successful |
quote: Originally posted by Micha
Persian Province of Palaestina to Persian Emperor
We heard of a huge egyptian army approaching our lands, and we aren´t able to face this thread alone. We are a province of your empire, and we are loyal to our masters, but we won´t fight an enemy that is seven times stronger than us.
If you don´t send troops, we don´t stand a chance against the egytians. In that case, we will have to switch sides and become an Egyptian province.
The payment you desire is out of question. As a province, we already pay tributes to your majesty. We simply can´t afford to spend even more...
News
In Asia Minor (Turkey), the province of Lycia reports several pro-Persian revolts against the Lydian intruders. On the West coast, the province of Ionia has joined the Lydian kingdom and killed all Persian officials. In Phrygia, the local Persian Satrap has managed to suppress the pro-Lydian movement, but he asks for a Persian army to support him.
Lydia to Macedonia
We are already fighting the Persians! We need help, for they are strengthening their fortifications in Phrygia and will soon strike against us!
As for the trade: We have lost our supply of Eastern luxury goods and spices due to the war against Persia. We´d appreciate if you could provide us substitudes to that; Any other trade is already at its optimum. Also we need every ship for the war, so expanding our trade would require reallocating war materials to civil purposes, which is out of question right now... |
quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus
Macedon to Persia :
Call off your dogs in Lydia.
to Lydia :
We'll see what we can do.
to far off Carthage (A SECRET envoy) :
Greetings, O dwellors of the far side of the world. An opportunity exists for both of us. You have access to Persian ports and markets, and other kingdoms would pay dearly for access to the commodities they offer. You could smuggle goods out to our ships, which, being based more closely to the destinations (and on more friendly terms with the region) could more cheaply transport them to the buyers. Likewise we could act as a transferer of Egyptian goods to you and you could sell them to your end of the Mediterranean, so long as your navy turned a blind eye. In Each case we would both make a tidy profit. |
quote: Originally posted by Micha
Carthage to Macedonia (SECRET)
Your offer sounds interesting. Really interesting. But you know this MUST be kept secret! Should the Persians discover the smuggle, we will deny any knowledge of it.
On this term, we have a deal. May your cities prosper in peace. |
quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus
Implement trade arrangements (secretly) as agreed with Carthage. |
quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Peopleschen L'Respulika de Athenikia
Knowledgius Aboveius Allius
The Peopleschen L'Respulika de Athenikia would like to announce its neutrility in petty Earth politics.
However we understand it is hard for you inferiors to control your lower brain functions, and thus we are going to assign an area where you may all fight. The winner of these battles may defend Athenikia |
quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear
quote: Macedon to Persia :
Call off your dogs in Lydia. |
For what reason?
You tell us to without even a threat, or a corny excuse? To hell with you, until you give us a good enough reason.
Persia to Palaestina
Fine, but you must swear your allegiance to the Persian Empire regardless of wether or not we win or lose.
Our troops that were being sent on Egypt are being diverted to defend your province. |
quote: Originally posted by Micha
Persian Province of Palaestina to Persian Emperor
Thank you, great Emperor. As Satrap of Palaestina I renew my oath of loyality. Shal the Egyptians bath in their own blood!
OOC
bipolar:
Palaestina is YOUR province, not independent. You are Persia, and all those provinces to the west belong to your empire. The thing is, they all have sworn loyality to the Persian emperor in exchange for protection against outside attacks. So in case any of these provinces is threatened by an external enemy, you HAVE to defend it, or they will look for another protector... |
Last edited by Micha on 01-05-2004 at 01:27
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icarii
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I'm still playing as magna graecea and I will use 10 talents to expand army and 5 to improve daily life and 15 to treasury
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Micha

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Technical University of Ilmenau, Germany
Oct 2002 time: 06:35
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UPDATE - 335 - 330 b.c.
Middle East
The Egyptian Pharao´s "Army of the Nile" has engaged the small Persian garrisson in the Province of Palaestina; After a fierce fight the defenders were about to retreat, when - just in time - the Persian main force arrived. That army, though not using any special tactics, was simply overrunning the exhausted Egyptians, who then retreated along the coast. The battle claimed almost 4,000 Persian lives and about 3,000 Egyptians, though most of those were horsemen, which leaves the Pharao´s army without a decent charge force.
Now this army, rallied again by the Pharao himself in his shiny armour, is laying siege on the Persian harbour Tanys on the mouth of the Nile.
The Satrap of Tanys craves for help, he won´t be able to hold the city for long. The Cyrenaican army kept itself out of the fightings, which caused quite some tensions with Egypt. To prevent a conflict with its allies, that army had finally joined the Pharao´s siege force.
Most Persian provinces have sent their tributes to the great king, including:
15 talents from Babylonia; 22 triremes from Phoenicia; 1,500 horsemen from Assyria; 1,000 horsemen from Armenia.
Greece and Asia Minor
Despite the war raging just in front of their door, the city of Athens has stated her wish for neutrality and peace. A new forum has been created in northern Athens, attracting many philosophers and wannabes. Amongst the many, an old man has reclaimed the speaker´s pedestal: Demosthenes! The famous Anti-Macedon demagogue. Again a large part of the Attic population rallies around him, agreeing with his negative opinion of the "warmongering slaughterers of the north".
Another civil project in that area is the improvement of infrastructure. A major road from Athens over the ruins of Thebes up to Herakleia has been renewed, making travelling faster and helping the trade between the Attic cities. While rebuilding the old road, the workers have found a small copper deposite. It´s supposed to be worth 15 talents...
The Attic declaration of neutrality had serious impacts on Macedonia´s warfare. For one, Athens´ contribution to Alexander´s army was ordered home, which robbed Macedonia off 500 hetaires, 500 hoplites and 6,000 foot soldiers. On the other hand, many of Athens´ allies didn´t agree on the neutrality, since they see an unique opportunity to gain wealth and influence in fighting the Persian empire while it´s weak. So Most of the Ionian cities as well as those along the northern coast of Asia Minor left the Attic Federation, joining Lydia and Macedonia.
Meanwhile, the Macedonians have replenished their army with volunteers and crossed the Hellespond again. In Lydian territory, they were greeted by the greek population as if they were family members. This has boosted the greek morale to a level almost equalling that of the great Alexander´s time.
Several Persian troops were sighted retreating deeper into the mountains, while they wait for reinforcements.
Strangely the war against Persia doesn´t seem to harm Macedonia´s economy; In Pella the women wear big Indian gems and the men smoke finest opium from Eastern Persia... The same applies for Lydia... Mysterious...
In order to support the poorest farmers, two talents have been provided by the Macedonian king. Several dozens of horses have been bought for the local farmers, as that was the most needed thing for agriculture. Of course, those who received this help were praising the king, but many said it was way too little to really have an impact.
Western Mediterranean
Carthage has founded a new colony on the Hispanic coast called "Carthago Nova". Due to a quite generous payment, the new town already has some comforts, like public baths and a trade harbour. However, no fortifications have been built yet, leaving the settlement vulnerable to attacks.
Despite the efforts of the colonists, the local natives refuse to reveal the source of their jewelry, so the new town didn´t lead to the hoped-for gold rush.
All along the Hispanic coast brave adventurers are looking for new riches and hidden paradises, though with little success yet.
Northeast of Gades there is a quite big river running into the open sea. That area looks fertile for agriculture, and the surrounding mountains may hide metals like iron or even gold. But unfortunately the local tribes don´t seem to like foreigners, so a safe colonization there requires immense efforts by the military.
To the east, a huge Carthagian merchant fleet is shipping oriental luxuries from Persia to their homeports, where quite a big portion seems to disappear mysteriously. At the same time, more and more Macedon trade ships bring egyptian goods to Carthage, especially the needed papyrus. Coincidence?
Italian peninsula
The Romans have founded a colony on the Island of Corsica, called "Cales". This marks a turning point in Roman strategy, for it is the first peaceful expansion after the long wars against the Latinians.
To the south the tensions with the Samnites rise, while the city of Neapolis threatens to attack Roman territory if they won´t cease their aggressive expansion.
Southern Italy, especially Magna Graecia, watches the Roman actions carefully. Slowly there rises a common conclusion: The Romans will expand south, with or without local support. Discussions about whether to ally with or fight the legions of Rome are held throughout Apulia.
Acting wisely, the Counsil of Magna Graecia has decided to improve the training of their army, especially the leaders. With the money invested, a small private lycaeum militaricum could be founded, improving the army´s effectivity in combat. Though the impact isn´t too big yet, it´s an investment into a safe future, and thus welcomed by both the army and the population.
Also a general welfare fond has been created, supporting the poorest and improving general living conditions. The people really appreciate that investment, though the generals call it a waste of funds that are essential to the military...
NPC orders
- Persian "Syrian Army" has taken losses of 368 horsemen and 159 foot soldiers; "Army of the West" has lost 505 horsemen and 2,878 foot soldiers
- Sparta banked the money in order to save for a new military academy
- Lydia has trained 5,000 horsemen (70 talents), distributing amongst "Trapezunt Defence Force" (4,000) and "Asia Minor Army" (1,000)
- Rome has trained 2,000 swordsmen (28 talents), added to "Legion of Rome"; founded colony of "Cales" (75 talents)
- Egyptian "Nile Fleet" has moved north to support the siege of Tanys; "Pharao´s Army" has taken losses of 2,167 horsemen and 839 foot soldiers
- Egypt has spent 18 talents on building siege machinery, including rams and siege towers; They are added to the "Pharao´s army"
Last edited by Micha on 02-05-2004 at 00:36
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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001 time: 07:35
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Roman Republic
In the last meeting of the senil...erhm Senate of Rome at the Horti Sallustiani it was decided that ex-consul, current dictator Laurentius Aelius' regime will be extended another 15 years after wich his position will be reconsidered. Other decicions included the diplomatic activities with Magna Graecia, etruscans and the recent hostilities from the samnites and umbrians. As always the senate meeting ended in a roman dinner and dionysian mysteries(food, wine, women=orgy).
The recent humiliation of the Roman envoy in Samnium and the raids to the Roman terriotory by the Umbrii have forced us to start preparations for a pacifying campaign.
A two week feast was held including ceremonial sacrifices to the mercurius, the god of trade to ensure best fortune to start trade with Macedonia
Rome to Macedonia
The most warm greetings from the people of Rome. May the trade between our glorious civilizations commence immediately and may gods bring good fortune to the both of us. 10 Merchant ships have been sent to bring you fine italian goods.
Rome to Magna Graecia
Ave! Greetings from the people of Rome. With great pleasure we see our ancestral brothers polii flourishing on the italian soil. We fully recognise the independence of the MG cities, but wish that you do not interfere with possible operations at Samnium. The peaceful co-existance is in the interest of the people and so we wish to commence trade with you.
ORDERS
-14 talents to train 1000 more swordsmen
-Split the Legion of Rome in two.
-Form new Legion of Latinium, will consist of 9000 swordsmen, 2000 horsemen and 14 000 foot soldiers. it will be commanded by proconsul Marcus Aemilius and it will be stationed in the fort at the border of Umbrian/Samnian border.
-10 talents to build Fort Latina for the legion latinium.
- Transfer 450 swordsmen to Cales with 25 triemes.
-The Legion of Rome, will now consist of 10550 swordsmen, 4000 horsemen and 10 000 foot soldiers.
-5 talents to improve roadnetwork to capua and to the new fort latina.
-Move Legion Latinuim to the new fort and Legion of rome to the border with Umbria.
-Issue a declaration of war to the Umbrian tribal counsil of elders.
-Start raiding the Umbrian countryside.
-10 talents in the treasury.
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Micha

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Technical University of Ilmenau, Germany
Oct 2002 time: 06:35
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UPDATE - 330 to 325 b.c.
Middle East
Egypt
(Bipolarbear, I had to massively change your orders to make them fit. For example, there is no province of Nabataea, though you ordered to defend it. I guess you meant the town under siege, so I instead sent your army there. Also you didn´t specify which army to send, so I took the bigger one; Same problem with all those new units: You didn´t say which army to put them in, so I created new armies or put them into the nearest one. Why exactly did you build 2 triremes? You have almost 500 of them rotting in your ports!!!)
The Persian harbour of Tanys suffered under the Egyptian siege for almost four months until the reinforcements arrived; Unfortunately the Persian attackers were vastly outnumbered by the Egyptians and Cyrenaicans. Nonetheless the Persian cavallery charged into the endless ranks of infantry, inflicting huge casualties to the siege army. Some of the siege weaponry was captured, before the brave Persians had to retreat because of heavy losses. However, the Cyrenaican army fled back home when it witnessed the suicide attack of the Persian cavalry, and the Egyptian siege was broken for some days.
It is not clear who has won the battle, for both sides weren´t able to accomplish their missions. The Pharao has ordered his troops to regroup and continue the siege, and his army obeyed. All in all about 25,000 lost their lives fighting for a town of roughly 4,000 inhabitants...
Persia
Meanwhile, hundreds of miles away from the battle, the Persian treasure chambers have been opened and a huge chunk of the money has been distributed amongst the population. Of course the poorest were gifted first, but also some of the more influencing parts of the society got their share. As a result, dissent is decreasing. With the situation in Asia minor getting less threatening, the greek settlements behave less offensive, and most revolts have ceased. Only some hardliners in the local Persian administrations are still arresting Greek found outside their towns.
To solidify the peace, the great king sends 3 talents to both Lydia and Macedonia; Although huge parts of the Persian population feel that sending tributs to "inferior" nations is humiliating, noone dares to critisize him for that publically.
Also the tributes from the provinces came in. Babylonia sends 1,000 finest Babylonian war chariots to the great king, Assyria another 1,000 swordsmen, Phoenicia sends 5 talents, Armenia 4 talents, Cypros 1 talent, Cilicia sends 1,500 horsemen, cappadocia another 2,000 horsemen and the other provinces pay in fruits and other foods.
Greece and Asia Minor
Athens
After five years of teaching philosophy in Athens, Aristotle has finished his work on the "doctrine of the mean". It said that any moral virtue has two extremes, too much and too little of it, and the best lies in the middle. These theories about morale, as well as his work on studying animal habits, have earned him - and Athens - great respect among philosophes and wise men all over the mediterranean. There is even some kind of intellectual tourism to Athens, making the city rich.
Most of this wealth is used to fund the fortification of the city and its nearest surroundings, and a minor city wall has been completed after four years of building. Of course it´s just a basic wall, with no catapults or moats. But it will provide a good defence against attacking ground forces, in case they lack proper siege weaponry.
Sparta
Athens´ old enemy Sparta has started expanding its military, for defensive means, of course. Little is known about the situation there, for the homelands are closed to non-Spartans (except for slaves, that is).
Macedonia
Within a few months the town of Appolonia, situated on the Macedonian West coast, was equipped with a new port capable of supplying triremes and trade vessels. Between the two temples of Poseidon and Apoll, a completely new residential area was erected. Several dozens of houses will now accommodate the locals as well as travellers and traders. The whole project was initiated by the Macedonian king himself, although his reasons are not clear at this time. Apollonia´s citizens don´t seem to care for the why anyway, they are happy about the progress and interest their little town is experiencing. Strangers speaking bad of the Macedonian king won´t make friends there...
Combined with this very special engagement, more funds were spent on the peasant aid program. This time there are three lucky counties benefitting from the aid, making several hundreds of poor farmers very happy. Other people, of course, call it a drop in the bucket...
Meanwhile, prospectors have reported the discovery of a new vein of gold near the city of Amphipolis. Only small amounts were found as of now, but the prospectors insist in the existence of a huge deposit deep down below. However, the location is somewhat difficult to reach. A road must be built before any mine, to transport lumber to the site. Also there seem to be at least 15 metres of earth above the deposit, which need to be removed. All in all the project would cost dozens of talents, and the Macedon advisors donßt think it will bring profits. (Though the prospectors believe it is an abundant source of gold that just sits there to be mined...)
Lydia
In the city of Sardes, the Macedon advisors have started training the local troops. Although the teachers are few and ill-equipped due to low budget, the effects on Lydia´s morale are high. Many of the men there don´t agree with the current peace talks, most of them long for Persian blood. And if not Persia, then someone else. The loose alliance of city states is slowly breaking apart without the menace of a common enemy to fight...
Italian peninsula
Answering the repeated Umbrian raids into Roman territory, the Republic has issued a declaration of war to the ravaging hordes. The new Fort Latina with its excellent road connection to the capital is now a stronghold on the border, denying access to the Roman homelands as well as supplying the mighty legions of the Republic.
Under the leadership of proconsul Marcus Aemilius an army of almost 25,000 is fighting the Umbrians back to the mountains where they came from; the villages of Ameria, Vettona and Assisium have been burned down, and soon the legion has seized the town of Iguvium. There a quite large amount of silver coins has been captured, being worth about 16 talents.
But now that their homelands are under attack, the Umbrians seem to rally high up in the mountains, preparing to put up a fight against the legions of Rome. A small group of Ubrian warriors has been enslaved and brought to Rome, where the citizens rejoiced at the sound victory of their army. The commanding Proconsul has earned the respect of the Roman citizens, who were forgetting about their personal problems for some time.
Also the road connecting Fort Latina with the capital has been extended further south to Capua, providing a faster way to travel; This is promoting trade in the region, especially since the arrival of the first Carthagian and Macedonian trading ships. A huge amount of exotic goods is flooding the small Republic, bringing wealth to its citizens, and stories about the rich lands to the south...
Western Mediterranean
Iberia
The colony of Carthago Nova is growing rapidly and now hosts about 20,000 people. After the Carthagian settlement was secured, the search for resources went on, and hordes of settlers digged into the dust of the surrounding area. Not much was found till now, but the natives are wearing golden jewelry which they must have gotten from somewhere. So more efforts are put into this venture.
Meanwhile, the city of Carthage has begun to expand its fortifications, for hostile nomads have been sighted to the West. About 55 talents have been invested so far, funding a basic wall with gates and watchtowers.
NPC orders
- Legion of Rome has lost 114 swordsmen, 71 horsemen and 218 foot soldiers
- An Umbrian army has formed in the hills of Umbria, consisting of 3,500 horsemen; 5,200 foot soldiers; 9,000 light infantry
- Egyptian "Pharao´s Army" has lost 2,931 horsemen and 14,211 foot soldiers; siege weaponry worth 7 talents has been captured by Persia
- Persian "Syrian Army" has lost 7,609 horsemen and 2,117 foot soldiers
- Sparta is training 6,000 hoplites (54 talents) and building 2 triremes (6 talents)
- Lydia´s military effectiveness has increased by 9%; Lydia trained 3,000 horsemen and added them to "Southern Army"
- lacking orders, Magna Graecia has banked its entire income
- Attic Federation´s income has increased by 4, basically due to "tourism" and increased trade
- Rome´s income increased by 2 because of the improved trade; the small harbour hinders further increase
- Carthage´s income has increased by 1 due to trade
- Macedonian´s income has increased by 1 due to trade
Last edited by Micha on 04-05-2004 at 05:28
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