26-05-2004 21:20									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Return to topic attempt: Does anyone have any other sick ideas for WWII (or any other era) scenarios?

Give the various Eastern European nations a "Jew" unit that's undisbandable, free of support, and useless in combat. Give the Axis a big VP bonus for killing them.

	26-05-2004 21:23									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Give the various Eastern European nations a "Jew" unit that's undisbandable, free of support, and useless in combat. Give the Axis a big VP bonus for killing them.

That's more disgusting than the first idea.

	27-05-2004 01:56									#93
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I hope this thread doesn't wander from the topic again

If it does... I won't feel sorry for what happens to the people that go off topic

	27-05-2004 09:02									#94
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Sigh. I'm surprised a thread on such a morally repulsive subject has been open this long. Unless someone has any on-topic suggestions to continue I move that we close this thread.

	27-05-2004 09:05									#95
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I heartily second the closure motion no matter any 'tasteless' nay sayers!!

This thread is an embarrasment!

	27-05-2004 11:31									#96
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are you embarrassed by your world's history?

	27-05-2004 11:32									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Return to topic attempt: Does anyone have any other sick ideas for WWII (or any other era) scenarios?

I already posted my rape of Nanking scenario.

We could also have a bataan death march scenario. Although I don't know what effect that would have. I guess you could have it raise the morale of the troops that perform it.

	29-05-2004 06:05									#98
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quote: One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic -Iosif Stalin

Lets remember that the holocost was more than the 6 million Jewish people that were killed, that it also included the mentally ill, people of slavic decent, political dissenters, and gypseys. All told, the final tally might have risen to 10 million people. Add in the 20 million Russians, the 8 million Germans, the 6 Million Japanese, and it is plain that WWII caused the most horrific bloodletting in the history of this world.

Is one death more tragic than another? Is the life that was lost in a bombing of London, Dresden, or Tokyo more or less tragic than the ones lost at Aushwitz, Buchenwald, or Sobibor?

In one sense one could make a distinction between people that were systematically killed and ones that lost theirs in a seemingly random act. But was the bombings of cites a truly random act? Did not someone drop those bombs?

In this vain; is a persons life who was sacrificed to the Aztecs a life less valuable, a death less tragic than one killed by Nazi's?

My point is that Civ III is a brutal game . Within the game it depicts the meciless bombing of civilians, slavery, raizing towns (called "Ethnic Cleansing" now, they are usually refered in history as massacres or sacking) and using Nuclear devices on other civ's. The idea of having a "jew" uint was a bad idea, not because it is somehow offensive, but because its bad game design. Giving the Nazi's a Gestapo unit with a weak attack and the ability to enslave would be a good idea and no more offensive than the ideas that the Civilization games are designed around.

	29-05-2004 10:20									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I already posted my rape of Nanking scenario. We could also have a bataan death march scenario. Although I don't know what effect that would have. I guess you could have it raise the morale of the troops that perform it.

Your troops would have to be evil to get morale boosts from rape and death marches. More "civilized" nations would not even contemplate doing any such thing.

Such actions I see as outside the scope of the game. However, if players would like to imagine their troops are committing atrocities then that's entirely up to them.

	29-05-2004 10:25									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident are you embarrassed by your world's history?

Quite frankly, I am.

	29-05-2004 10:35									#101
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My world's history is just fine. Its Earth's history that worries me.

	29-05-2004 10:41									#102
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I'm going to start spamming if this thread isn't closed soon

	29-05-2004 11:02									#103
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Certainly has run its course. Ming has threatened everyone not long ago to stay on topic. I suppose this means he still sees some potential here (all we have to do is find out what that is... ).

	29-05-2004 11:10									#104
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I think a Gestapo unit would be good, with a low attack and an enslave ability

	29-05-2004 11:25									#105
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Wouldn't the Gestapo be more like the police in the cityview? You may be thinking SS.

	29-05-2004 16:04									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master That's more disgusting than the first idea.

a) Vince specifically asked for sick ideas.

b) It's better than Kuciwalker's idea, because it does not give the Nazi player any ahistorical material benefits, but does nonetheless encourage him to try and achieve historical Nazi goals.

	30-05-2004 08:22									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist but does nonetheless encourage him to try and achieve historical Nazi goals.

Now there's an interesting thought. Sounds like adding role-playing elements to Civ. An idea for Civ4?

	30-05-2004 11:44									#108
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and what about mustard gas in ww1.

speaking of. I think we need more ww1 scenarios.

	30-05-2004 20:32									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and what about mustard gas in ww1. speaking of. I think we need more ww1 scenarios.

Is there even one?

	30-05-2004 21:07									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Switch I find it somewhat ironic that Nuclear Master should post at this time I don't think this is a good thread for a France/US battle...take that to the OT fora.

Plural?

	30-05-2004 21:08									#111
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Plural what?

	30-05-2004 21:09									#112
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Fora.

	30-05-2004 21:14									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Fora.

Well, there is so much spam in the off topic, some people consider it as two forums

	30-05-2004 22:13									#114
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@Dissident & NM: There's a couple of ambitious WWI scenarios available at CFC - Marla and Gogf's "July 1914" and Sarevok's "The Great War". The later is easier the more accurate, but I think the former is the more playable (it doesn't figure thousands of starting units, for a start).

	31-05-2004 06:34									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Wouldn't the Gestapo be more like the police in the cityview? You may be thinking SS.

The true SS is the Gestapo, and there is a difference between the Gestapo and the Waffen SS which were highly fanatical, and loyal units in the army.