12-05-2004 08:19									#61
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" good goaltending in the Calgary end followed by goals on shots a goalie has to have in a one goal game"

	12-05-2004 08:24									#62
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that sucker in the San Jose net has a WEAK leg reach

	12-05-2004 08:26									#63
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Its getting tougher and tougher for lawrence of Arabia to make the nabakov over Kipper argument with a straight face.

There's still a lot of hockey to be played but in the first two games it has been Kipper dominant-- no contest-- not even close

	12-05-2004 08:31									#64
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Its over

4-1 calgary final

Kipper was good when he had to be
nabokov looked downright weak

The sharks are in big trouble unless they start getting some superlative goaltending. The rest of their team has not played terribly but they do need to get more than the 18 shots they managed in game 2

	12-05-2004 08:35									#65
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I'd be pissed right now if I were a Sharks fan. Either they missed or they hit the Kipper wall. It is soooo frustrating when your team plays well but you run into a hot and lucky goalie.

	12-05-2004 08:43									#66
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class on the SJ fans though - booing their team off the ice. quite a nice bit of baggage for the sharks to bring for the next two CALGARY held games

	12-05-2004 09:24									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia wow - i am one shellshocked fan. and its the end of the first.

Ready to concede about Kipper's awesomeness yet?

	12-05-2004 09:41									#68
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I can't believe the Sharks made it this far -- what a weakass team.

What does that say about the teams they beat? Holy ****.

No wonder Nabokov has inflated stats, you had people who wouldn't even qualify for the minors shooting at him.

	12-05-2004 10:31									#69
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yeah we are flaming out. but still lots of hockey to play.

	12-05-2004 17:34									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia yeah we are flaming out. but still lots of hockey to play.

I agree its nowhere near over but if the Sharks don't start getting excellent goaltending IMMEDIATELY, this could be a very short series

	12-05-2004 22:21									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I can't believe the Sharks made it this far -- what a weakass team.

I dunno about weak, but they sure aren't showing any resilience. The shots of the bench after the Calgary goals just say it all right now -- that team looks psychologically broken. Kiprusoff's in their heads and Nabokov is letting them down. Calgary just keeps coming at them and they don't seem to know how to deal with it.

Looking back at the end of the Colorado series, the Sharks have lost four of their last five games and more or less won the other one based on a strong twenty minutes. That's not a team that looks like it wants to go the final -- by contrast, Calgary's now won seven road games already and looked better in game 2 than in game 1, I thought.

This one's over quick if the Sharks don't grow some spine. A quick end would suit me -- let the Flames rest while the Flyers & Lightning beat the hell out of each other .

	12-05-2004 22:28									#72
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It looks like the Flames are on their way to become the first team ever to beat all three division winners in a conference to get to the final.

	12-05-2004 22:32									#73
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Calgary Sun:

quote: Sharks in hot water The Calgary Flames continue to prove that they are much more than just Jarome Iginla, Miikka Kiprusoff and a cast of unimportant extras. Tuesday night in Game 2 of the Western Conference Finals, the unheralded trio of Shean Donovan, Marcus Nilson and Ville Nieminen dominated the action in Calgary's huge 4-1 road victory. The underdog Flames now carry a two-games-to-none advantage back to Calgary for Thursday's Game 3 at the Pengrowth Saddledome. Nilson scored the game's opening goal, just 20 seconds into the contest, with a bad-angle bank shot off the foot of a San Jose defender and past a startled Evgeni Nabokov. Donovan scored the winning goal, later in the first, with a stunning move on a breakaway -- set up by pin-point passes from Nieminen and Nilson. Nieminen added a third-period insurance goal as their line finished the night with six points. "They were awesome, what can you say?" said teammate Craig Conroy. "They came right out, set the tone. It's almost like they scored the first shift and started feeling it right away. "Those guys, they just get on a roll. To see them get goals was awesome because they do everything. They were awesome." So far, the Flames have scored eight goals in the Western Conference Finals. Iginla, who tied for the regular-season goal-scoring crown with 41 tallies, has just one of those goals -- a meaningless late goal Tuesday night. He also assisted on Steve Montador's game-winning goal in Sunday's 4-3 overtime win. Kiprusoff, meanwhile, returned to his brilliant form Tuesday, allowing just one goal. Nilson, obtained in a late-season dEal to bolster the team's depth, says that his unit's performance -- which was dominant in every facet of the game -- was all just in a day's work. "That's what our team needs," said Nilson. "A team needs other guys to score goals. Iggy, Conny (Craig Conroy) and (Martin) Gelinas can't do it all by themselves. The rest of the lines have to step up and our line had a pretty good game tonight." As a result, The Flames contInue to surprise observers as they move to within two wins of their first Stanley Cup berth since winning their only championship in 1989.

San Francisco Chronical:

quote: Sharks in deep hole While the Flames fill home giddy for Game 3, the San Jose Sharks know they face a huge task to just get back in this series. After Game 2's loss, San Jose needs to win four of the last five games in the series to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals for the first time. Not since Detroit in 1945 has a team lost the first two games at home and rallied to advance to the Finals. The Sharks, meanwhile, have never rallied from an 0-2 deficit in their short postseason history. The Sharks have lost all four times they've fallen into an 0-2 hole, regardless whether starting at home or on the road. Twice, San Jose extended series to six games -- in 1999 against Colorado and '98 to Dallas. They were swept by Detroit in '95 and lost in five to Dallas in 2000. Yet, Alyn Mccauley, who scored San Jose's only goal Tuesday, still believes. "It's achievable," he said. "They're a tough team, but we feel we're up to the task." San Jose, may well be capable of coming back, but they will have to play mch better than they did in Game 2. Calgary played a dominant first period, scoring two goals and banging the Sharks into quick capitulation. "We didn't play very determined hockey; we didn't work very hard," said forward Scott Thornton. "I think they outworked us in every battle and in every situation." San Jose coach Ron Wilson was almost as blunt. "Calgary was prepared," Wilson said. "But part of it was our own fault. We just didn't get the job done. We didn't execute, period." That will have to chance on Thursday if San Jose hopes to climb back into this series.

	12-05-2004 23:40									#74
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Good articles

	13-05-2004 10:15									#75
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Great game yesterday and a lot closer then the score suggests. Calgary was smart going for more defensive approach. They really limited SJs scoring chances.

Nabo didn't have a chance of stopping Nieminen's goal after the SJ defencemen screened Nabo. That's the type of basic error they got to avoid. (On two-on-one, goalie stops the shot, defence blocks the pass)

I don't know how Nabo managed to miss Iginla's shot.

	14-05-2004 08:59									#76
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Coach's Corner: Cherry is... not too pleased with a reporter at the Calgary Herald.

And rightly so.

You tell 'im, Coach!

	14-05-2004 09:01									#77
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Calgary doesn't have newspapers, it's actually a lie. the only thing readable is on the import level (National Post)

we scoff at the Herald, wipe our asses with the Sun, and stuff our bleeding women with the Globe & Mail

(the cute ones get tampons)

	14-05-2004 09:37									#78
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Awesome game, very close.

I thought both teams played very well, and Nabokov has definintely redeemed himself this game.

	14-05-2004 09:53									#79
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game was alright, pretty close all the way, although the flamers show that they are little whining *****es with inflated egos who play dirty. sharkies might use that to get fired up, you can tell they're getting tired of ville's antics.

	14-05-2004 09:57									#80
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I think they had a right to whine after the non-calls in the third.

I also think it was extremely poor sportsmanship for the shark to stop and then shoot it into the net, and I think he did deserve the bump from behind from Iginla for that, but I also think there was lots of bad sportsmanship on behalf of several key Flames players near the end.

When you're in a building with nearly 20,000 screaming fans, you're losing a game, and one of the ***** on the other team stops and rubs it in with that shot in the empty net, emotions run high and fists can fly.

I wouldn't say anyone on the Flames has inflated egos. The only "stars" on the team are Kipper and Iginla. Kipper is about as far as you can get from an inflated ego, and Iginla is clearly a team player from the start.

If you want inflated egos, look at Detroit.

	14-05-2004 09:59									#81
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goones, the lot of them. you didnt see the sharks starting fights or taking cheat shots when they were losing.
a big thunbs down to the lack of class by the team from calgary. you'd think they would be a little mature about things, seeing how they have a hockey tradition. i guess its frustrating when you lose to the upstarts. nieminen should get suspended for his hit on davison.

	14-05-2004 10:00									#82
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quote: I also think it was extremely poor sportsmanship for the shark to stop and then shoot it into the net

except he only stopped to feed it back to marleau who gave him the steal and the assist on his breakaway.

	14-05-2004 10:01									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia goones, the lot of them. you didnt see the sharks starting fights or taking cheat shots when they were losing. a big thunbs down to the lack of class by the team from calgary. you'd think they would be a little mature about things, seeing how they have a hockey tradition.

Since 1980 isn't a huge tradition.

And yes, the Sharks did start fights in the first couple games. Hell, they started some this game too.

Did you not see Thorton mercilessly pounding on the poor guy who was pushed down onto Nobokov? "Goones" indeed.

quote: nieminen should get suspended for his hit on davison.

You have to be kidding me -- on what grounds?

	14-05-2004 10:02									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia except he only stopped to feed it back to marleau who gave him the steal and the assist on his breakaway.

Um. What the f*ck are you talking about?

I'm talking about the empty net goal at the end. He went up to about 10 feet right infront of it, stops completely, then puts it in. That's poor sportsmanship, because it's akin to saying "this is too easy!" to the losing team in the final minutes, when they're feeling the pressure from 20,000 screaming fans. He was asking for the bump from behind.

	14-05-2004 10:03									#85
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quote: Did you not see Thorton mercilessly pounding on the poor guy who was pushed down onto Nobokov

pushed down my ass he kept on slashing at nabokov with his stick to try to get the puck lose.

	14-05-2004 10:06									#86
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quote: I'm talking about the empty net goal at the end. He went up to about 10 feet right infront of it, stops completely, then puts it in. That's poor sportsmanship, because it's akin to saying "this is too easy!" to the losing team in the final minutes, when they're feeling the pressure from 20,000 screaming fans. He was asking for the bump from behind.

thats the one i was talking about. he wanted to feed it back to marleau, as a thank you for the feed he got earlier.

	14-05-2004 10:07									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia pushed down my ass he kept on slashing at nabokov with his stick to try to get the puck lose.

When you see the puck, you go for it -- that's standard for every NHL player.

Pushing the player onto the goalie and then thumping him with your fist to the back of the head is not standard, and I would classify it as goon behavior...

	14-05-2004 10:07									#88
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quote: You have to be kidding me -- on what grounds

on the cheap shot.

bump from behind - right, the bump that rips the stick out of his hand. and then theres the other thug who sucker punches rathje.

	14-05-2004 10:09									#89
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quote: When you see the puck, you go for it -- that's standard for every NHL player.

oh wait, you cant see it cuz it was in nabokovs glove for a sec before he starts pushing his stick in his face.

quote: Pushing the player onto the goalie and then thumping him with your fist to the back of the head is not standard, and I would classify it as goon behavior...

slashing a goalie who clearly has the puck in his glove is goon behavior. protecting you goalie is the time honored tradition of hockey,

	14-05-2004 10:09									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia thats the one i was talking about. he wanted to feed it back to marleau, as a thank you for the feed he got earlier.

If that's the case, I would be pissed off if I was management on the Sharks. The last thing I want is some player ****ing with sure-shot goals to do something stupid like that.

quote: bump from behind - right, the bump that rips the stick out of his hand. and then theres the other thug who sucker punches rathje.

People lose sticks all the time. It was a bump, the guy didn't even fall down.

Hell, maybe he should've been called for throwing his stick, or perhaps diving.