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Ming is offline Ming
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Hmmmmm....
From CNN.com

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Disney may block anti-Bush film

Reports: Media company attempts to stop Miramax from releasing Michael Moore documentary.
May 5, 2004: 9:10 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore's documentary linking President Bush with powerful Saudi families, including that of Osama bin Laden, is sparking the latest fight within the Walt Disney corporation.

The Disney edict could herald the bloodiest political battle yet between Miramax's feisty co-chairman, Harvey Weinstein, and Disney CEO Michael Eisner, who oversaw the purchase of Miramax a decade ago, Daily Variety said.

Fahrenheit 9/11," is Moore's follow-up to his Academy Award-winning "Bowling for Columbine." Rumors had been circulating of a July release in North America, but the film does not appear on Miramax's summer schedule, the Variety said.

The Times quoted a Miramax spokesman as saying that the company was "discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."

But the paper said Disney isn't willing to budge on the issue.

"We advised both (Moore's) agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman.

Officials from Miramax and Disney were not immediately available for comment Wednesday morning.

Independent stock analyst Dennis McAlpine said that there has always been a tension between Miramax and Disney since the media conglomerate bought the independent studio in 1993.

"They've done their own thing for the most part. Disney has been content to leave them alone and give them money and pull in all the Academy Awards," said McAlpine.

He said that despite the shareholder criticism of Eisner, he doesn't think that this battle will necessarily cause the embattled executive more problems.

"If there is a fallout, it's that some of the creative types say, 'I'm not going to take my next pic to Disney,'" said McAlpine. "But Hollywood is a wonderful place for saying one thing and doing the opposite the next time."

McAlpine said that he could see Miramax releasing the film under a separate label, as it has done with some controversial films in the past. The controversy and attention the battle is getting will help draw viewers to the film, he said.

Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, told the New York Times that Eisner asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Emanuel said Eisner expressed particular concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where President Bush's brother, Jeb Bush, is governor.

The Times reported that Disney executives denied that allegation. One executive told the paper it did not want to be seen taking sides in the election and risk alienating customers of different political views.

"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle," said the executive, who was not identified by the paper.

But Moore said he believed the protection of tax cuts was the reason for the media conglomerate's position.

"I would have hoped by now that I would be able to put my work out to the public without having to experience the profound censorship obstacles I often seem to encounter," Moore said in a statement Wednesday, referring to his agent's charge against Eisner. "The whole story behind this (and other attempts) to kill our movie will be told in more detail as the days and weeks go on. All I can say is, thank God for Harvey Weinstein and Miramax, who have stood by me during the entire production of this movie."

The film, set to debut at the Cannes film festival later this month, has yet to be released. The New York Times and Hollywood trade paper Daily Variety said in its Wednesday editions that Walt Disney Co. (DIS: Research, Estimates) has moved to prevent its Miramax Films unit from distributing "Fahrenheit 9/11."

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Yay Disney!

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Ah.. Ming... working the trolls .

Short answer: Disney owns Miramax and has every right to decide what films get published under its label... and it doesn't want to piss off anyone, because, well, it's Disney.

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Here I thought it was Disney deciding to reverse their recent trend of crap movies.

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What Imran said.

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Who, besides the people in the business I guess, cares what label a film or documentary is released on anyway? If I, as a consumer, happened to dislike Michael Moore and/or his Miramax documentary I wouldn't start a boycott against Disney and/or Miramax products for that. Only a small group of loonies do things like that and their purchasing power is usually neglectable.

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Why is Moore working under disney?

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Because they have money.

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Disney is evil?

This is news?

I mean, if you want to go around trusting companies whose logo consists of a huge talking mouse, you're asking for trouble.

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Why is Moore working under disney?


An interesting question. I thought he detested capitalism and "big evil corporations"?

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If I, as a consumer, happened to dislike Michael Moore and/or his Miramax documentary I wouldn't start a boycott against Disney and/or Miramax products for that.


They aren't worried about boycotters... they are worried about politicians who might get upset and not help Disney out whenever they need a favor.

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An interesting question. I thought he detested capitalism and "big evil corporations"?
So does che. Yet he still worked for Citibank.

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While I may not agree with it or like it, it boils down to what Imran said. They have the right to yea or nea any project that is being done for them. And again as the point was made it is Disney. They happen to have and sport and take advantage of a very wholesome image. I mean really how is it going to look if Mickey Mouse endorses the fact that someone thinks Bush is crap. That's really not being a very good mouseketeer now is it

That's the bottom line. Disney has a wholesome image and reputation to maintain and it won't be maintained by bashing the President.

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Well, OK, Loonies that actually have some influence.

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Disney gets tax cuts here!?! WHY THE HELL DO THEY NEED A FRIGGAN TAX CUT!?!?!?!?!

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An interesting question. I thought he detested capitalism and "big evil corporations"?


Just the ones that don't hand him six-figure checks.

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Why is Moore working under disney?


Why not? It's not like any other film company is any better. Under capitalism your choices are basically limited to working for the man or starving, or in this case, working with a giant media conglomerate or not being able to do the film.

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Moore has attacked disney in the past, you know.

I'm not really surprised that he would take money from them - why not? But I'm surprised that a formal deal was ever made... although not so much now that the higher-ups of disney are trying to stop it, I guess.

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Why not? It's not like any other film company is any better. Under capitalism your choices are basically limited to working for the man or starving, or in this case, working with a giant media conglomerate or not being able to do the film.


Moore isn't going to starve any time soon.

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Moore isn't going to starve any time soon.


You could try reading the second half of the sentence.

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"We advised both (Moore's) agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," Zenia Mucha, a Disney spokeswoman, told the newspaper.


One wonders why this is news now.

It wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the upcoming Cannes film festival, now would it?

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Good spot, JohnT. Impressive piece of self-publicity from Michael Moore.

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working with a giant media conglomerate or not being able to do the film.
There are such things as Indie films.

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They don't get wide distribution, dd, and you know it.

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So what. It isn't as if loads of people pack theaters to watch documentaries either.

Hell he could follow the Gibson example and finance his own projects and have the courage of his convictions.

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Loads of people do, however, go to see MM films.

What's wrong with using the man to undermine the man?

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They don't get wide distribution, dd, and you know it.


Any film Michael Moore makes is going to end up geting as wide of distributation as he can get.

Unless he starts making teen movies or action flicks or something.

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As long as it private, it's not censorship.

Sooooo, can a government owned public channel be forced not to criticize the government? will that be ok?

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Now that'd be something interesting to see.

 
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