27-09-2000 06:32									#31
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It's not just the spammers who are affected. Everyone is. No one is getting post counts in OT. Myself included.

	27-09-2000 06:43									#32
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Mark, Dan, you must have put a lot of work into this, but I think you should modify it to only not count posts that are shorted then 2 or 3 lines.

It wouldn't be fair to the non-spammers of the OT.

	27-09-2000 07:13									#33
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Hmm I don't like this one bit.

Not fair I say not fair.

I like the OT I don't wanna have to move back to a forum where I have to think.



NO wannna

	27-09-2000 09:48									#34
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No problem here. I just posted in the OT and it got added to my post count.

	27-09-2000 09:48									#35
	Increase the size of your Attachments

amazing, it took you only 14 hours to notice it

yeah, i tried some code last morning....
now it's out...

so, comments on this posibility?
serious answers only please(or i'll put it back again)

	27-09-2000 09:49									#36
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

u girls still worry about post counts... (sigh)

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	27-09-2000 09:50									#37
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DO IT! lock it up Mark, btw, did ya get the pm...?

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	27-09-2000 10:03									#38
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This is a very bad idea. Spammers often spam to increase their post counts. If they cannot increase their post counts by posting in the OT, they will post in the on-topic forums. Even if they attempt to make their posts slightly relevant to the topic, the overall quality of the on-topic forums will be degraded.

Murgatroyd

	27-09-2000 10:12									#39
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Rah is right. If you keep the post counts but discount any posts made in the OTF this will just make the spammers flood over to the on-topic forums. Either remove post counts and titles together, or let the spammers have their fun in OTF.

onepaul - why should this thread be locked?!

Markos - you haven't updated the "Name Change Archive" for quite some time now
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Urban Ranger (edited September 27, 2000).]</font>

	27-09-2000 10:27									#40
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What Murgatroyd said. You will just get spam polluting the other forums...

	27-09-2000 11:55									#41
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 09-27-2000 12:48 AM</font>
amazing, it took you only 14 hours to notice it

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Well, I guess that means that people don't care as much about post count as you thought or they would have noticed it sooner.

I agree with the others, you should not implement this if it means that people will spam the on-topic forums.

	27-09-2000 12:18									#42
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Murgatroyd's comment above probably hits the point - with Apolyton being such a big site, making OT having no post coount will just shift everyone to the other forums. And if post count's removed altogether, I get the feeling that the site'll get much less patronage...

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	27-09-2000 14:09									#43
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Sigh!

I can't believe you guys actually care about post count anyway...!?

I wouldn't mind just being an honorary settler with a permanent post count of '1' for all the difference it makes to me...

	27-09-2000 15:08									#44
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I can believe the liked of the admin and RAH care this much about post count either.

Maybe RAH just likes being the brother of one of the only two deities here. People like to take credit for family achievements, I guess.

And additionally, if off-topic posts aren't going to count, I suggest a reduction in post count for people like Ming and Mao who don't now deserve their deity status.

	27-09-2000 15:13									#45
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

my post count works fine. maybe it's just for the spammers

	27-09-2000 15:14									#46
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Please Markos, for the sake of what is good and holy, do not do this.

1. There are many people who frequent the OT forum who do not visit the other forums - and in many cases, the entire site. This would only get those people pissed at you. They'd spread the word, and eventually the entire set of forums would die, because whether you want to admit it or not, the OT is a vital lifeblood to the ACS forums.
2. As Murgatroyd said, this would only result in an increase in off-topic posting on the on-topic forums. I know you don't want to deal with that.
3. The eight-hour limit on starting topics is enough of a constraint on the OT already. This will only make things worse.

I say again: for the sake of what's good and holy, DO NOT DO THIS. You'll only bring yourself more trouble, and it WOULD be the eventual downfall of these forums. The spammers aren't THAT bad of a threat; let them have A LITTLE fun, and they'll be satisfied. Trust me on this one.

EDIT: So THIS is what Markos' test thread on the OT Monday night was all about...

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	27-09-2000 16:27									#47
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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by reismark on 09-27-2000 06:14 AM</font>
Please Markos, for the sake of what is good and holy, do not do this.

1. There are many people who frequent the OT forum who do not visit the other forums - and in many cases, the entire site. This would only get those people pissed at you. They'd spread the word, and eventually the entire set of forums would die, because whether you want to admit it or not, the OT is a vital lifeblood to the ACS forums.
2. As Murgatroyd said, this would only result in an increase in off-topic posting on the on-topic forums. I know you don't want to deal with that.
3. The eight-hour limit on starting topics is enough of a constraint on the OT already. This will only make things worse.

I say again: for the sake of what's good and holy, DO NOT DO THIS. You'll only bring yourself more trouble, and it WOULD be the eventual downfall of these forums. The spammers aren't THAT bad of a threat; let them have A LITTLE fun, and they'll be satisfied. Trust me on this one.

EDIT: So THIS is what Markos' test thread on the OT Monday night was all about...


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hear hear reismark!

	27-09-2000 17:32									#48
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don't care. the 8 hour rule in place now is no big deal... i don't think this would be.

	27-09-2000 18:27									#49
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I agree with others, if people are not allowed to raise post count in the off topic, they will consequently spam the on-topic forums.

	27-09-2000 18:27									#50
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This reminds me a little of a parallel to the petrol taxing in this country, keep adding on a little at a time, until crunch point...people stick no more of it. Why bother? It is just a bit of a laugh and brings a bit of cameradery to the OT. This is silly, and quite frankly, unnecessary! I thought it was a bug, I thought that the admins would have warned us first, or mentioned it in some form or other...again I am disappointed...

	27-09-2000 22:01									#51
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Can this new *feature* be turned on per user? Maybe a nice new tool to be used along with post count reduction and banning.

	27-09-2000 23:08									#52
	Remove this text

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Shadowstrike on 09-26-2000 09:43 PM</font>
Mark, Dan, you must have put a lot of work into this, but I think you should modify it to only not count posts that are shorted then 2 or 3 lines.

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NO!!!

and Mark, if you make it permanent it will kill the OT...


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	27-09-2000 23:11									#53
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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Dookie on 09-27-2000 06:08 AM</font>
Maybe RAH just likes being the brother of one of the only two deities here. People like to take credit for family achievements, I guess.

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what???


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	27-09-2000 23:31									#54
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Godammit this is ridiculous. Why not just disable the whole post count system while you are at it for all the difference it makes! I object, this is stupid!!!

	28-09-2000 00:23									#55
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You people. It's like post counts are your life. Posts counts are Maos life. You want to be like Mao?!

You are who you are here by what you post, how long you've been here and how you interact with others.

I'm not picking on Mao. I only use his name as examples because he posted 10,0000 times in under a year, and post counts are what we're talking about here. But still, he's not really an Apolyton vet to me. Maybe in a few years.

	28-09-2000 00:45									#56
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Well, yes, we COULD manage even with this one, but much worse. Bad idea, MarkG. Instead of adding code like this, you could use up your time, for example, to update your homepage. I like the graphics. I could even send the link to http://www.digitalblasphemy.com

	28-09-2000 00:48									#57
	Put an end to popups!

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV on 09-27-2000 01:01 PM</font>
Can this new *feature* be turned on per user? Maybe a nice new tool to be used along with post count reduction and banning.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>it can probably be done, but it wont be easy to mantain(if it envolves many posters)

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV on 09-27-2000 03:23 PM</font>
You people. It's like post counts are your life.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>looks that way

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Provost Harrison on 09-27-2000 02:31 PM</font>
Godammit this is ridiculous. Why not just disable the whole post count system while you are at it for all the difference it makes!
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>the idea is that on-topic posts show the actual participance in the civ(remember the word) community, while off-topic posts are "simple" conversation(which doesnt mean spam)
if the titles should mean something, they should be related with the actual nature of these forums

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited September 27, 2000).]</font>

	28-09-2000 00:56									#58
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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Rural Ranger on 09-27-2000 03:45 PM</font>
Instead of adding code like this, you could use up your time, for example, to update your homepage
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>dear god, you mean that i should update my homepage instead of working on apolyton?!?


anyway, yes, the idea is wrong cause it's a generalization. while i still believe that the on-topic posts have much more usefull content that the off-topics ones(which is why off-topic posts are deleted by the thousands and nearly all on-topic ones are archived), such a measure would be unfair to some people and the posts they make in the OT...
beyond that, it's disapointing to see the fear behind the jokes around the posibility of never reaching emperor status by silly posting in the OT...
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited September 27, 2000).]</font>

	28-09-2000 00:57									#59
	Increase Your PM Length

I could maintain that for you MarkG

	28-09-2000 01:06									#60
	Full PM-box? Change here!

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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV on 09-27-2000 03:57 PM</font>
I could maintain that for you MarkG
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>hehe unless i made an "real" hack for it, it would require hard coding in the script and ftp access on the server which only Dan and I have...