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mark13 is offline mark13
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It is good to see the peasants revolting at last.
It's as if nothing else mattered.

Awwwwwwwwwww..............

Don't you just feel so sorry for them?

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Builder, that quote was a reference to the fact that I am Ming's evil Twin Brother.,

But anyone here that has read my posts knows that I don't, and never have been a fan of post counts.

Mao was a perfect example 10,000 in a year and then less than 100 for the next two months, what was the motivation there? It certainly wasn't content.

And for the rest of you, I personally thought this was a Ming ploy to guarentee that I would never be a deity like him , we're so competitive.

To all those that give a **** about post counts,
it's too bad it was just an experiment, hahahahha

And Mark, ever MP post to set up a game, meant a game was being played with the opportunity to learn something new to post about. (whether it be a tale or a strategy. Most of those players did post meaningful things when games ended), which has much more value than a one line "oh suck me" line in the OT. IMHO
(just couldn't pass up on that) Every post has equal value and I could care less about the counts. My lackluster couple of thousand posts for as long as I've been here speaks for itself.


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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 09-27-2000 04:06 PM</font>
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<font size=1>Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV on 09-27-2000 03:57 PM</font>
I could maintain that for you MarkG
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>hehe unless i made an "real" hack for it, it would require hard coding in the script and ftp access on the server which only Dan and I have...



what? is there a *trust* issue here???

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Urban Ranger on 09-27-2000 01:12 AM</font>


onepaul - why should this thread be locked?!

Markos - you haven't updated the "Name Change Archive" for quite some time now
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I meant lock the post count system...
and get rid of that name change as well...

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by rah on 09-27-2000 04:06 PM</font>
And Mark, ever MP post to set up a game, meant a game was being played with the opportunity to learn something new to post about.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>yeah i know, that's why i edited it out... even those posts have more value than a big part of the OT(big, not all, thank god)


MWHC,
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Mark, yes you were quick, it was edited out before I finished posting. I went back and thought I had imagined that.

MWHC, Find some American Flag artwork and I'll Help you out.

Ming, Typical two line response usually associated with spam in OT. Love ya bro.
Oh, I forgot the

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I can see the logic in this. Personally, I think the OTF can have a lot more useful material then, say, Civ2-General. If this was targeted against only two-line responses, I could understand it. But this also affect people who want to have intelligent conversations there. I don't think post counts are important, but they might be for some people.

Besides, the OTF is the only way to get an idea to a vast number of Apolytoners, and killing off the interest is like doing away with the town square. Its possible, but expect a lot of people to leave town.

And stop spamming this thread Builder...

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Posts counts are Maos life. You want to be like Mao?!


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*Mao lies limp before his keyboard, the life force seeping out of him. Unless the post count is turned back on, he may die *


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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV on 09-27-2000 03:23 PM</font>

Posts counts are Maos life. You want to be like Mao?!


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Explanation for the above post:

Maybe this is like that scene in the Neverending story where the boy has to imagine Fantasia or it will be destroyed by the Nothing and the little Queen of Fantasia, in this case Mao , will die.

The "little boy" would of course be Mark G Only you can save Mao!!


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This and murg's post on the previous page sums up the situation very well. You can have a some people post on the on-topic fourms only, or you can have that, as well as a vibrant OT community (who, just admit guys/gals, live on post counts ).

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the idea is that on-topic posts show the actual participance in the civ(remember the word) community, while off-topic posts are "simple" conversation(which doesnt mean spam)
if the titles should mean something, they should be related with the actual nature of these forums

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Haven't you been telling us all along that titles and post counts are meaningless? Why the sudden change?

If you believe they are essentially meaningless, what does it matter where the post count comes from? If not, why have you often said they are?

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Personally, I find my post count more a cause for embarrassment than a cause of celebration.

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I agree with Murgatroyd...it reeks of hypocrisy does this. It reeks of hypocrisy I say!

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I agree with Murgatroyd...it reeks of hypocrisy does this. It reeks of hypocrisy I say!

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I'd like to thank Markos for attempting to address the issue. I for one have been *****ing about the spam for awhile.

I'm sure the post count does bring many people to the site but sadly it brings people with little or nothing to add to a conversation, forum or site. They litter each and every thread with their little piece of graffiti.

I have no problem with the 1 thread per 8 hour rule and think it had an effect.

I am still unclear on what the current change is however. Are some postcounts and all titles frozen? And only in OT?

I say keep your Civ feel by using the post count and titles but give the mods free reign to weed out the compulsive spammers.


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It's a terrible idea! Post counts do matter! Sure it may sound silly to some of you, but you just can't understand, you have a different way of thinking about it. I take pride in my post count, knowing that each and everyone was legit and non-spam. I was devestated when the merger occured, eliminating 1000+ posts I had made!
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The whole spam thing is a non-issue. There is hardly any spam imo. The vast majority of what I see in OT is legit conversation. This is making a mountain out of a mole-hill.
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Murgatroyd on 09-27-2000 06:05 PM</font>
Haven't you been telling us all along that titles and post counts are meaningless? Why the sudden change?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>of course i have been saying that titles and post counts are meaningless, and i'm still saying it, since we may have some Kings or Princes who "achieved" that by 100% off-topic posting! if only on-topic posts counted, then, yes, i believe that a big post count would mean something, and it would be good

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I agree with Murgatroyd...it reeks of hypocrisy does this. It reeks of hypocrisy I say!


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ROTFLMAO !!!

Markos, that was a missed chance, had you done this on April 1st, you would have had the best April Fools joke ever But even now it was (to me) probably the one of the funniest things in Apolyton History, you really had some of those master spammers worried there!

But I must agree with the people who are against installing this permanently, we're already having our hands full on AH, Bkeela and DarthVeda on the CtP(II) forums as it is

Oh boy, I'm still laughing and I first read about this half an hour ago

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The feeling of pride???

Will that pride not be enhanced by knowing that you achieved your rank with no spamming, but with opinionated views?

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I believe we should keep the OT thread topic posts because some of the spammers could just post on other topics, i.e. (Civ III) with their spam...

Also there are some intelligent threads in OT.

P.S. I realize this may be overly complicated to do, but do you know how to delete certain posts. If so that may work better than deleting threads or locking them or making posts in OT not count.


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What an excellent idea, MarkG.

However, to avoid the other forums being spammed by post-count chasers, you should disable the post count increments on those forums as well. Surely, those interested in Civ, CtP and SMAC are there to interchange information not to bump their post counts.

I say get rid of the post counts altogether and we will all live happily ever after (at least I will).
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As I've constantly been in favor of, disable the post count! Who needs it?

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I have just read through this thead again. MarkG should not give in to blackmail. He has made a sensible (IMHO) proposal which maybe doesn't go far enough.

What is the response from some quarters - give us back our post count increments or we will spam your other forums. In my book, one does not back down against threats like this - MarkG disable the whole postcount thing, it has run it's course.

Let people be judged by the quality of posts not the quantity.
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I agree that post count and titles should be abolished, but in the vote last year the majority voted for the current system, so I doubt that it will be changed.

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I have just read through this thead again. MarkG should not give in to blackmail. He has made a sensible (IMHO) proposal which maybe doesn't go far enough.

What is the response from some quarters - give us back our post count increments or we will spam your other forums. In my book, one does not back down against threats like this - MarkG disable the whole postcount thing, it has run it's course.

Let people be judged by the quality of posts not the quantity.

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Blackmail?!? The warnings about other forums were not threats. They were simply noting that those who spam to increase their post counts would not be stopped by this restriction, and that (reason indicates) they would probably make many posts in other forums. In many cases, the "large post count" mentality does not include long, well thought-out posts, so the inevitable result of this restriction would be a decline in the quality of the on-topic forums. The restriction would therefore be counterproductive.

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I think Murg's fears are coming true. The average qualities in some of the On-Topic forums has gone down in the past few days. Spammers have resorted to making short posts that don't contribute to the thread in some of the on-topic forums.

I'm not concerned about my post count, just the quality of posts outside of the OTF.

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Just warn the offenders and then if they persist, ban them for a few days or a week to teach them a lesson...

 
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