09-05-2004 21:07									#31
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Well, I realize you being defensive on the gay 'cures', since many people try to describe homosexualism as something that is illegitimate, and thus any such cure may be forced on homosexuals, I don't think that personal traits, and characteristics, such as this are unchangeable. People have known to have much bigger shifts in life, due cataclismic events. I am not sure whether this is as rigid as people believe.

	09-05-2004 21:08									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris You mean the Catholic priests?

	09-05-2004 21:56									#33
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I have no problem with the idea of letting pedophiles in the closet.
I personally believe most of us are at least a bit flexible in sexual orientation (and Asher, a former bi, who calls us "X-pint gay" would agree), and can live a tolerable yet suboptimal sexual life.

In one of the posts showed by SA, there was this guy worrying he still felt attracted to a 15 year old boy, whom he knew when he was 11. This shows that even this guy can be attracted by more adult builds.

Expose them to hot chicks / studs, that's the ticket.

	09-05-2004 22:14									#34
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They are people too you know, so long as they aren't hurting other people....

	09-05-2004 22:24									#35
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People defending pedophiles. Never thought I'd live to see the day.

	09-05-2004 22:31									#36
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quote: They are people too you know, so long as they aren't hurting other people....

Like I said, the second they abuse a child they deserve death. Not necessarily a needle either. More preferably the mother of the child swinging a baseball bat to thier nutsack.

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JohnT:
That's because you fall in the trap of hating several different things indiscriminately. I don't think anybody defends child molesters here. But pedophilia is far more complex than only child-molestation. The word (wrongfully) encompasses a variety of practices and attractions that are 1. not the same, and 2. not of the same gravity.

Unfortunately, the media hysteria makes it so that whomever feels attraction toward children is immediately identified with the scum that rapes, tortures and kills children

	09-05-2004 22:34									#38
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quote: Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia Pronunciation: "pE-d&-'fi-lE-& Function: noun Etymology: New Latin Date: 1906 : sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

From the Encyclopedia Britannica. I'd prefer the OED, but they're not online. At least for free, that is.

	09-05-2004 22:37									#39
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JohnT:
Yes. And a question: imagine a guy who feels attracted toward children, but refuses to act on this attraction and copes with it... Is this guy the same as another one who preys on children, absucts them, and rapes them before the kill?

I think the first one needs help. I see pedophilia as a handicap similar to alcoholism. This is why I despise the feelgood exercize that are these pedophilia forums so much.

	09-05-2004 22:44									#40
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	09-05-2004 22:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor JohnT: Yes. And a question: imagine a guy who feels attracted toward children, but refuses to act on this attraction and copes with it... Is this guy the same as another one who preys on children, absucts them, and rapes them before the kill? I think the first one needs help. I see pedophilia as a handicap similar to alcoholism. This is why I despise the feelgood exercize that are these pedophilia forums so much.

No action, no crime. No action, not a pedophiliac. If you have a person whom, at the age of 50, is still a virgin, are they straight, gay, or asexual?

quote: Main Entry: asex·u·al Pronunciation: (")A-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l Function: adjective Date: 1830 1 : lacking sex or functional sex organs 2 a : involving or reproducing by reproductive processes (as cell division, spore formation, fission, or budding) that do not involve the union of individuals or germ cells b : produced by asexual reproduction 3 : devoid of sexuality

	09-05-2004 22:50									#42
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what do they masturbate to?

if nothing than asexual

otherwise not

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	09-05-2004 22:52									#43
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Good point. But, by their actions (or lack of), one can easily describe them as "asexual".

	09-05-2004 22:56									#44
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Good point. But, by their actions (or lack of), one can easily describe them as "asexual".

No, you can't.

Did you not even read your own definition? devoid of sexuality. There is a world of difference between that and being a virgin. Just because they don't act on their sexuality does not mean they are devoid of it.

	09-05-2004 22:58									#45
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The primary definition (#1) was "lacking sex." Pick and choose all you want, but, at worst, it looks as if the EB was covering all bases with that definition.

	09-05-2004 23:02									#46
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT The primary definition (#1) was "lacking sex." Pick and choose all you want

Yeah, pick and choose. How about finishing that definition; lacking sex or functional sex organs. Obviously this is using the term sex as in reference to gender ie. - niether female or male. Surely you aren't going to claim that is the case of virgins.

	09-05-2004 23:04									#47
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I can't believe I have to do this:

quote: Main Entry: or Pronunciation: &r, 'or, Southern also 'är Function: conjunction Etymology: Middle English, alter. of other, alteration of Old English oththe; akin to Old High German eddo or Date: 13th century 1 -- used as a function word to indicate an alternative , the equivalent or substitutive character of two words or phrases , or approximation or uncertainty 2 archaic : EITHER 3 archaic : WHETHER 4 -- used in logic as a sentential connective that forms a complex sentence which is true when at least one of its constituent sentences is true; compare

Therefore, the primary definition contained two possible uses of the word.

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edit: that looks out of place. there are 2 pages to this thread

	09-05-2004 23:07									#49
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some of you guys are cruel to paedophiles. They are people too.

Castrate them and let them go free.

	09-05-2004 23:11									#50
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Hell, I'll go with castration. No problem there.

	09-05-2004 23:15									#51
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I can't believe I have to do this: quote: Main Entry: or Pronunciation: &r, 'or, Southern also 'är Function: conjunction Etymology: Middle English, alter. of other, alteration of Old English oththe; akin to Old High German eddo or Date: 13th century 1 -- used as a function word to indicate an alternative , the equivalent or substitutive character of two words or phrases , or approximation or uncertainty 2 archaic : EITHER 3 archaic : WHETHER 4 -- used in logic as a sentential connective that forms a complex sentence which is true when at least one of its constituent sentences is true; compare

Yes, and in this case the word 'or' was being used as an equivalent. Or are you saying that they put two definitions under one hedaing?

(Funny that they desribe 'or' by using the word in it's own definition. )


You're not very good at semantics if even I can beat you at it. I suggest you avoid quoting the dictionary in the future, if you can't understand it.

quote: 1 : lacking sex or functional sex organs

Does not mean "They can't get laid" it means that either 1. the subject has no gender, or 2. it's sexual organs are not functional - ie. the subject is not capable of performing sex. Virgins are.

In most cases anyways, which is why the terms celibate or abstinent are usually the the terms best suited to describe a 50 year old virgin.

	09-05-2004 23:18									#52
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JohnT - if a lesbian gets raped by a guy, does that make her straight?

	09-05-2004 23:21									#53
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Kucinich, you're better than that.

Ludd, I'm gonna concede this one out of boredom. You win! I'm now convinced: pedophiliacs are wonderful people.

	09-05-2004 23:26									#54
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Since this thread is degenerating (Hey, I made a pun!) quickly, let me add to it:

I am not at all surprised that the Communists are defending this: Azazel, Spiffor, OB, and GL. Not that you are pedarists or anything, but the disassociation that you Communists have between "logic" and the real world is really showing on this matter. Sometimes, people, you just have to take a stand against what is wrong.

Carry on without me. This "debate" is very unpleasant to participate in to begin with, and more so as it continues.

	09-05-2004 23:29									#55
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Who's defending pedophilia? We're defending freedom of thought, not any specific thoughts. Obviously, we condemn acting on pedophilia.

	10-05-2004 00:56									#56
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And skywalker is most certainly not a Commie.

And to make one last point.

Using your definition

quote: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

Keyword here being preferred. This is a statement of what the person desires, of what they want. It doesn't say that a pedophile is a person that has sex with children.

A person that does not act on their pedophilic desires is still a pedophile by this definition, because children are still their preferred sexual object.

	10-05-2004 00:58									#57
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Hell no, I am not defending freedom of thought. I think that these thoughts are wrong, but:

a) shouldn't be punished by themselves. They're just thoughts, the mind flows in all kinds of directions, and noone is harmed at that point.

b) should be treated, if possible, and I claim that it is possible. If it isn't, castrate them, sure, but don't you think that some research into that is needed?

Just trying to find the best solution. I am sorry that I am not jumping into "hell they're paedophiles, let's just shoot them/ cut their balls off".

And I am fully willing to accept, that sometimes, this IS the the solution, like in the case of psychopaths, people that anatomically can't feel empathy, and have no possibility of a cure/prevention.

	10-05-2004 01:09									#58
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I'm now convinced: pedophiliacs are wonderful people.

The paedophiles that don't hurt children in any way their whole life, that shy away from all contact with children, whilst I wouldn't call them wonderful any more than I'd call a guy resisting the urge to rape a hot woman, they are certainly not bad people.

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It's a no-brainer that being exposed to pedophilia can be extremely harmful and actually is just that in most cases - but one interesting question I can't help but think about is whether there are children whose sexual encounters with some adult are actually positive experiences overall.

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This is quite a disturbing thought, isn't it? Like these people on that site, wasn't one of them quoted remembering himself being molested, and thinking of that happily? Eery.