10-05-2004 03:10									#91
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And it doesn't matter how much they love and care for the kids. If they have sex with a kid, that hurts the kid 99 times out of 99 and a half. They don't understand what's going on or what they should do. They might be easily lured into it, because kids and early teens they are curious about that stuff, and they might get confused and let the man do his thing. But rarely they want it. They are just confused.

And later on it will eat them alive. Just think about rapes.. women must feel pretty bad about that, think it happened to you. Not a female, but a male raping you hard and beating you down and you can't sit for 2 weeks, bleeding and crappign your pants. I bet you'd feel pretty damn violated about that besides the physical side to it. And it would haunt you for the longest time.

Now imagine that happening to kids. They are still groing and mentally it's very difficult because they're still kind of shaping into their personalities and stuff like that, trying to learn and all that. If you do that to a kid, you destroy the kids future in a way. And that kid just started the journey and someone stole the whole future. That's a huge theft.. THey might not be able to cope with it at all when they grow up. It's the worst of the sexual crimes. And the people doing it just are in it for themselves and they justify it to themselves so they wouldn't feel so bad about it. They don't love the kids, they love themselves and get off from them. That's sick stuff, they steal the future of every person just because they feel like 5 minutes of sexual pleasure.

Even establishing relationships to the families only to cheat them in the worst way and molest their kids. THat's a horrible crime damn it. How do you think the parents feel after that? They blame themselves.

Like said, if they don't act on it, they're safe from punishment. If they act on it, damn well they will get justice. We shouldn't let them go any easier just because they have different sexual fantasies. It's the victim where it's all about, and that's the little kid whose future is ruined. We should think about that instead of feeling bad that now the pedophile gets lot of badmouthing and we just don't understand his needs. Well, we shouldn't understand predators needs anyway. What we need to do is protect our kids and their future because they deserve it, and it's not THEIR OWN choice, it's the predators choice to choose that victim. He made the call and he will damn well pay for it.

If he is afraid that he will act on it instead of fantasizing, then he can go and get help. If not, then he deserves everything that's coming to him. It's the kids future versus his own sexual pleasure, and if he so strongly feels about his own pleasure.... too bad!

	10-05-2004 03:11									#92
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quote: But is a paedophile more likely to commit a sexcrime than an adult? Remember, paedophilia is to child molestation what homo/heterosexuality is to rape. If a paedophile is no more likely to attack a child than a man is likely to rape a woman, then whatever it is you're arguing about for paedophiles would equally apply to all men.

The entire problem is that there is no sexual act in paedophilia, that can be considered normative.There is no way one can non-criminally have sex, or "play" sexually with a child.

	10-05-2004 03:13									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Them, yes, certainly.

Then our disagreement stems from the fact that you think we should enforce thoughts.

	10-05-2004 03:15									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: But is a paedophile more likely to commit a sexcrime than an adult? Remember, paedophilia is to child molestation what homo/heterosexuality is to rape. If a paedophile is no more likely to attack a child than a man is likely to rape a woman, then whatever it is you're arguing about for paedophiles would equally apply to all men. The entire problem is that there is no sexual act in paedophilia, that can be considered normative.There is no way one can non-criminally have sex, or "play" sexually with a child.

actually in japan the age of consent is 13... of course the US still enforces its laws in Japan so if a pedaphile goes there and has sex with someone under 16... they will still be arrested here.

	10-05-2004 03:18									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Then our disagreement stems from the fact that you think we should enforce thoughts.

Did you miss the entire ****ed up relationships they had with the kids? And btw, yes, I think that we should 'enforce' thoughts, in some cases.

	10-05-2004 03:20									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel The entire problem is that there is no sexual act in paedophilia, that can be considered normative.There is no way one can non-criminally have sex, or "play" sexually with a child.

Well, I know of some who roleplay with other adults, but that does not involve a child, obviously.

But just because it is not possible does not mean that a paedophile is more likely to commit such an act. Although we cannot really put ourselves in a paedophile's mind, but imagine if you were incapable of finding someone you are attracted to, that would consent to have sex with you, and it was clear that you would never find one in your entire life. Would that make you more likely to rape another person to fulfill your desires?

	10-05-2004 03:21									#97
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**** you Azazel, enforced thoughts are you mad!!! That will lead to Technocracy... AND I WILL DIE A THOUSAND DEATHS AND KILL EVERYONE TO PREVENT THAT!!!

	10-05-2004 03:23									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka They might be easily lured into it, because kids and early teens they are curious about that stuff, and they might get confused and let the man do his thing.

I noticed your choice of words there... 'let the man do his thing', and I can't help but hypothetically ask you, what if it was a woman instead? Would that change your mind? When we were 13, we did have fantasies about adult women... would it hurt 99 out of 99½ boy to be seduced by one? I won't defend pedophilia, but I do doubt that.

	10-05-2004 03:24									#99
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quote: Would that make you more likely to rape another person to fulfill your desires?

Actually, in many cases, yes. In children, the threat is worstened, by the fact that they're much more helpless.



btw, can I munch on your penis after you kill yourself, thorn?

	10-05-2004 03:25									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Did you miss the entire ****ed up relationships they had with the kids? And btw, yes, I think that we should 'enforce' thoughts, in some cases.

Errr... most of them were talking about children sitting on their laps, hugging them, etc. That's something children do with most friendly adults.

	10-05-2004 03:25									#101
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stupid jew

	10-05-2004 03:26									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Thorn stupid jew

	10-05-2004 03:27									#103
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Most of them, yes. And they also talked a lot about doing other stuff to them, the entire "sexual exploration" bull.

	10-05-2004 03:28									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Most of them, yes. And they also talked a lot about doing other stuff to them, the entire "sexual exploration" bull.

Then that's not enforcing thoughts, but rather actions with a strong likeliness of illegality.

	10-05-2004 03:29									#105
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quote: Actually, in many cases, yes. In children, the threat is worstened, by the fact that they're much more helpless.

So it's not just paedophiles, but any person who can't find a sexual partner we should view as being on the same level as a rapist/ child molester (Particularly if they are in a position of power over their prey). Interesting...

	10-05-2004 03:44									#106
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monk, yes I did choose my words. When I talked about raping, I also said we must think that it would be a man raping us, because we are sex machines and prolly wouldn't mind women raping us

I don't know how I should think about that situation.

	10-05-2004 03:45									#107
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Why are paedophiles exclusively male?

	10-05-2004 03:46									#108
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If that was directed to me, I never claimed that. Women can be pedophiles too. From the legal point of view, the same should apply to women pedophiles as well when it comes to punishment.

	10-05-2004 03:50									#109
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women pedophiles generally get little to no punishment

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	10-05-2004 03:52									#110
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So there are woman paedophiles? I have to admit, I've never heard of any.

	10-05-2004 03:53									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka If that was directed to me, I never claimed that. Women can be pedophiles too. From the legal point of view, the same should apply to women pedophiles as well when it comes to punishment.

I don't think a little boy or even a little girl would be as traumatized from sex with a woman than with a man. Physical truth, that is.

	10-05-2004 03:54									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman So there are woman paedophiles? I have to admit, I've never heard of any.

There was a case of a woman having a child with a 13-years old boy back in the nineties. Obviously though, it seems like the boy was fertile and willing so I don't see where is the crime.

	10-05-2004 03:56									#113
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Yeah there are a lot of those womean pedaphile stories made into movies on the lifetime channel...

that and movies with a psychotic spouse murdering the other........

	10-05-2004 04:13									#114
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There was this lesbian woman paedophile here.

Oh, and thorn, I wasn't offended by that, but just for the heck of it, I am going to get your ass banned.

	10-05-2004 04:24									#115
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Eh? Well hows this:

Stupid Israelite!

	10-05-2004 04:56									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Hell no, I am not defending freedom of thought. I think that these thoughts are wrong, but:

Yes you are. May I quote your next paragraph?

quote: a) shouldn't be punished by themselves. They're just thoughts, the mind flows in all kinds of directions, and noone is harmed at that point.

	10-05-2004 05:00									#117
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we only talk about man pedos because femal pedos are awesome!

like, we needed more of them ***** pedos when i was yougner...

	10-05-2004 05:01									#118
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Notice how I am saying that there is something wrong with those thoughts, and people should be treated, instead of punished.

	10-05-2004 05:01									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Zero we only talk about man pedos because femal pedos are awesome! like, we needed more of them ***** pedos when i was yougner...

	10-05-2004 05:02									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Zero we only talk about man pedos because femal pedos are awesome! like, we needed more of them ***** pedos when i was yougner...

Exactly.