11-05-2004 05:47									#1
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I couldn't believe these sites:

www.conservativepunk.com

www.gopunk.com

Who do they think they are kidding? "Conservative punk" is an oxymoron (then again these guys would confuse that with the plain kind). Pro-establishment anti-establishmentarians? Punk credibility in voting for John Ashcroft? Preferring Dick Cheney's politics to Joe Strummer's or Jello Biafra's?



What a bunch of pathetic losers... how uncool can they get?

What's next? Conservatives jumping on the rap bandwagon to sing about the virtues of segregation? Stick to country guys....

	11-05-2004 05:50									#2
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http://www.punkvoter.com/home/home.php

Rock Against Bush!

	11-05-2004 05:51									#3
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First one, kinda neat, good design.

Second one reminds me of the 25 year old kid who rode a bike and wore his leather jacket around my park back in the 80's. Lame.

Anyways, thanks for the links, I'll be sending a check now. MUHAHAHAHAHA.

	11-05-2004 05:52									#4
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Alright, what is this, does some company own the rights to the word "punk" and is trying to play both sides?

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quote: Pro-establishment anti-establishmentarians?

When the establishment is liberal, then the anti-establishment is conservative.

Makes perfect sense to me, especially in Canada, for there to be Conservative punks.

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Gah! Kids in the Hall!

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Rock Against Bush Vol1 is a decent CD.

	11-05-2004 08:18									#8
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Punk is actually rather conservative . . . musically. Politically, if you ignore the first wave punks from New York and Cleveland, they tend towards Nihilism or Anarchism, with a good dollap of revolutionary socialism thrown in, and of course, the occasionally Nazis. Sham 69 was a left wing punk group that found itself with a Nazi skin following, much to their chagrin.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi When the establishment is liberal, then the anti-establishment is conservative. Makes perfect sense to me, especially in Canada, for there to be Conservative punks.

the establishment is hardly liberal. Except from where youre standing, on the far end of the right wing spectrum. Anti commie jew hater!

	11-05-2004 08:47									#10
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How can they do that? CONSERVATIVE PUNK?!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS AS STUPID AS THE "PUNK" THAT IS ON MTV!!!! GOOD CHARLOTTE AND AVRIL LAVIGNE AREN'T PUNK!!!!!
ARGGGGH!!!!!!!!!

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quote: What's next? Conservatives jumping on the rap bandwagon to sing about the virtues of segregation? Stick to country guys....

The kk has their own record label(arian records IIRC) they are considering doing racist rap.

I think punk is based in mainly liberal politics, I never really liked the whole elitist part of it, but I understand why it is there, to stop crap liek this, and other such ripoffs(christain punk, MTV punk etc.) from masquerading as punk.

	11-05-2004 09:21									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I couldn't believe these sites: www.conservativepunk.com www.gopunk.com Who do they think they are kidding? "Conservative punk" is an oxymoron (then again these guys would confuse that with the plain kind). Pro-establishment anti-establishmentarians? Punk credibility in voting for John Ashcroft? Preferring Dick Cheney's politics to Joe Strummer's or Jello Biafra's? What a bunch of pathetic losers... how uncool can they get? What's next? Conservatives jumping on the rap bandwagon to sing about the virtues of segregation? Stick to country guys....

country? I do not listen to country!! I listen to metal and death metal mostly.

	11-05-2004 10:21									#13
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Interesting how Phillips from the Dickies said that punks should be willing to listen to all ideas and not censor anything, and then ****kerry @ gopunk says:

quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you buy the CD[Rock Against Bush] you're supporting those *****es. I'd stay away from it, I saw it in the store yesterday as I was buying a few CDs, and I wanted to take it and break it. It makes me sick, and I will admit that some of the bands on there are good(I'm not talking about New Found Glory), I hate all of them now and want to piss on each of them.

Practice what you preach 1st?

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I try to be open to other ideas, but I think punk was made liberal and should stay that way.
If conservatives want to rip it off, then they can call it something else, I think that is what corporate rock is actually. Not sure though, please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Nazi punks, **** off.

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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear I try to be open to other ideas, but I think punk was made liberal and should stay that way. If conservatives want to rip it off, then they can call it something else, I think that is what corporate rock is actually. Not sure though, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Pretty close. You could add white supremacist punks and fascist skinheads to that group, too, aka skrewdriver.

Ramo,

	11-05-2004 11:37									#17
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quote: Nazi punks, **** off.

I love the kennedy's they rule, but now they broke up, and sold out.
I want to form my own band called the Ted Kennedy's.

	11-05-2004 12:05									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Nazi punks, **** off.

	11-05-2004 16:07									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Interesting how Phillips from the Dickies said that punks should be willing to listen to all ideas and not censor anything, and then ****kerry @ gopunk says: Practice what you preach 1st?

It sounds like Phillips is consistent, and so is **** kerry. They just aren't consistent with one another. But they do seem to practice what they preach.

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Punk music blows and should be left to the losers on the left who love it so. They can have rap too.

	11-05-2004 21:33									#21
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Punk Music:
Cars
Blondie
Talking Heads
The Ramones
Suicide
Television
Nirvana
Elvis Costello
The Clash
Billy Idol
Joan Jett
The Police

And so on. Punk is an attitude, not a style. DIY, baby, DIY.

	11-05-2004 21:41									#22
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it's a style, too, che. can't escape it.

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i don't see the problem with someone who enjoys "punk" music voting for bush. besides, "punk" music has been bastardized into thousands of sub genres, none of which are what "punk" started out as. too many bands jump on the "punk bandwagon" these days,

	11-05-2004 23:18									#24
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How the Hell are the Talking Heads punk?!

	11-05-2004 23:22									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui How the Hell are the Talking Heads punk?!

They were one of the original bands that played at CBGBs. They opened for the Ramones at a regular gig.





edit: switched Ramones fo Television.

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NEW WAVE, che, NEW WAVE. It's a style. It's no more an 'attitude' as rock and roll is an attitude.

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The early punks were all consistent that punk was an attitude and not a style.

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Attitude and style. I still have a scar in my nose from the safety pin I used to wear.

	11-05-2004 23:29									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui NEW WAVE, che, NEW WAVE. It's a style. It's no more an 'attitude' as rock and roll is an attitude.

New wave didn't exist yet. New wave split from punk later, just like electronica, goth, psychobilly, and a number of other musical genres. In 1976, it was all just punk, though Hilly Kristal did try to call the whole movement New Wave, that name didn't come to be associated with the particular style of music played by the Talking Heads until the 80s.

Punk music arose from a couple of sources. One, the degeneration of popular music into Carpenters-esque crap and rock into over-produced pompous mega stage productions. Two, in NYC, you only covers-bands could get a gig. The original punk music was nothing more than people writing and performing their own tunes, playnig at the one club that would allow them to do it, CBGBs. That's why such a disparate range of styles of music were gloomed together in one music movement. It was called punk because it was made by a bunch of punks.

Only after Malcom McLaren got his hands on it did it become what we today consider punk.

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Ah yes... so everything was punk . Please. New Wave takes more from disco than it does The Clash.