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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
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Oh, Of course: lets see, take off near tel Aviv- head to the med...then.......Fly over egyptian airspace to get to the Red sea, then fly several thousand miles around Arabia, which of course will give plenty of time for the saudis to know you are headed Iran's way, and then finally get accross the Arabian peninsula to strike at Iran.. and then what? Cause I assume you want them to be able to fly back, right?
Or go over the mediterranean, then fly over turkey yo get to the black sea, then either fly over turkey again to hit iran, or fly over Armenia and Aizerbaijan to get to Iran..ypu, another quicky.... |
hi ,
take a look at a serious map , ....
gulf of Eilat , red sea , make a left fly over the idian ocean and your there , ....
there is something called an international corridor if you take a look at the international airspace maps and regulations , ......
but why make things hard if a thing like iraq can be pulled of again , ....
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panag
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For warplanes of one state to fly over another without permission? Sorry, no. The route you mention is extremelty long-who will be refueling Israel's planes in that little trip? The US? Also, a nice long trip, giving more than enough time for whatever strikeforce was set up to be spotted..brilliant. |
hi ,
we dont have to fly over one state , ....
long , pffff , wake up , we have a history with long range assaults without getting noticed , .....
and since we can refuel ourselfs , .....
and if you would know the region then you would know that there are a zillion ways to reach them with only a couple minutes warning , .....
and we still have the navy , ....
have a nice day
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Bergen, Norway
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Originally posted by panag
hi ,
we dont have to fly over one state , ....
long , pffff , wake up , we have a history with long range assaults without getting noticed , .....
and since we can refuel ourselfs , .....
and if you would know the region then you would know that there are a zillion ways to reach them with only a couple minutes warning , .....
and we still have the navy , ....
have a nice day |
In 1981, the Israeli jets - 8 F-16s and 6 F-15s - flew about 1,100 km (one way) to attack the the Iraqi nuclear reactor. At the time, the Israeli jets were not yet capable of aerial refueling, so they were really stretching their fuel capacity. The jets were actually refueled on the runway just before taking off, to compensate for fuel lost during start-up and taxi. Each F-16 carried a pair of 2000 lb bombs and three external fuel tanks, as well as a pair of air-to-air missiles to provide a rudimentary self defense capability. Still, with the heavy load and just barely enough fuel to complete their mission and return to base, the F-16s could not realistically defend themselves against an air threat, and this is why the F-15s came along.
The jets took off from Etzion Air Force Base in southern Israel just before 16:00 (4 pm) local time on Sunday June 7, 1981. The day and time of day was chosen to minimize casualties (no work in progress at the time of the attack) and to allow the jets to approach the target with the setting sun in their backs, then turn around and fly back into the sun after striking their targets, thus making it harder for the defenders to spot and target them.
The route they flew to the target took them into both Saudi and Jordanian air space, pretty much flying along the border between the two, but making "short cuts" into both nation's territory. On the way to the target, they flew low - about 150 ft or 30 meters above ground level - to avoid radar detection along the way. I once read an account where it was claimed that Jordan's King Hussein spotted the Israeli jets and placed an urgent call to the general in charge of air defense demanding to know what was going on, only to be told that they had no information of any Israeli jets. Unfortunately, I am unable to present a source for this information at this time, so it may or may not be true. What we do know is that the jets succeeded in making an undetected passage through the territories of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Iraq, arriving over the target at 17:35. The jets climbed steeply as they began their attack run, and quickly identified the reactor dome gleaming in the late afternoon sunlight. Only now did the defenders become aware of the incoming attack. Caught by surprise, they opened fire too late. With the F-15s circling overhead, the F-16 went in one by one and dropped their bombs on the reactor. All but one hit the target. Two minutes later, the reactor lay in ruins and the Israelis were heading home. On the return flight they climbed to an altitude of about 12 km because flying at high altitude is far more fuel-efficient than the low level maneuvering they'd done on the way in. The return flight was uneventful and all 14 jets returned safely. As they re-entered Israeli airspace, IAF Commander, Maj. Gen. David Ivry came on the radio and told them "All you have to do now is land."
In the days and weeks immediately after the attack, just about everybody and their brother seemed pi$$ed off about Israel's "aggression". Even the US voted in favor of a UN resolution condemning the attack.
10 years later, in 1991, the US had a slightly different perspective, and officially thanked the former IAF Commander David Ivry for the "outstanding job done on the Iraqi nuclear program" in 1981...
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panag
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Originally posted by Guardian
In 1981, the Israeli jets - 8 F-16s and 6 F-15s - flew about 1,100 km (one way) to attack the the Iraqi nuclear reactor. At the time, the Israeli jets were not yet capable of aerial refueling, so they were really stretching their fuel capacity. The jets were actually refueled on the runway just before taking off, to compensate for fuel lost during start-up and taxi. Each F-16 carried a pair of 2000 lb bombs and three external fuel tanks, as well as a pair of air-to-air missiles to provide a rudimentary self defense capability. Still, with the heavy load and just barely enough fuel to complete their mission and return to base, the F-16s could not realistically defend themselves against an air threat, and this is why the F-15s came along.
The jets took off from Etzion Air Force Base in southern Israel just before 16:00 (4 pm) local time on Sunday June 7, 1981. The day and time of day was chosen to minimize casualties (no work in progress at the time of the attack) and to allow the jets to approach the target with the setting sun in their backs, then turn around and fly back into the sun after striking their targets, thus making it harder for the defenders to spot and target them.
The route they flew to the target took them into both Saudi and Jordanian air space, pretty much flying along the border between the two, but making "short cuts" into both nation's territory. On the way to the target, they flew low - about 150 ft or 30 meters above ground level - to avoid radar detection along the way. I once read an account where it was claimed that Jordan's King Hussein spotted the Israeli jets and placed an urgent call to the general in charge of air defense demanding to know what was going on, only to be told that they had no information of any Israeli jets. Unfortunately, I am unable to present a source for this information at this time, so it may or may not be true. What we do know is that the jets succeeded in making an undetected passage through the territories of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Iraq, arriving over the target at 17:35. The jets climbed steeply as they began their attack run, and quickly identified the dome gleaming in the late afternoon sunlight. Only now did the defenders become aware of the incoming attack. Caught by surprise, they opened fire too late. With the F-15s circling overhead, the F-16 went in one by one and dropped their bombs on the reactor. All but one hit the target. Two minutes later, the reactor lay in ruins and the Israelis were heading home. On the return flight they climbed to an altitude of about 12 km because flying at high altitude is far more fuel-efficient than the low level maneuvering they'd done on the way in. The return flight was uneventful and all 14 jets returned safely. As they re-entered Israeli airspace, IAF Commander, Maj. Gen. David Ivry came on the radio and told them "All you have to do now is land."
In the days and weeks immediately after the attack, just about everybody and their brother seemed pi$$ed off about Israel's "aggression". Even the US voted in favor of a UN resolution condemning the attack.
10 years later, in 1991, the US had a slightly different perspective, and officially thanked the former IAF Commander David Ivry for the "outstanding job done on the Iraqi nuclear program" in 1981... |
hi ,
that is known , .....
and btw , we had refuel ops back then , ....
and we have more refuel ops now , ....
with better fighters 
and we can take out radar with sub launched cruise rockets , ......
have a nice day
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13-05-2004 03:06
NO, they didn't. The point is that it was America's TANKS and GROUNDTROOPS, NOT the airforces that beat Saddam twice. Hence your point, that an airwar alone is enough, is WRONG. In fact, we can go with the whole SERBIA example for you...something you barely ever even mention...
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