13-05-2004 07:39									#1
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-after conquering a set number of cities, Barbarians will stop building new units
-after conquering most of the map, AI will stop building new units; in other words, AI is incapable of finishing a human off 1vs1 in a war of attrition

Is there any way that these things could be fixed? After all, there is a patch out there that relaxes quite a few Civ2 limits.

There certainly is precedent for this sort of thing. TTDPatch for Transport Tycoon Deluxe adds some awesome things to that game.

	13-05-2004 07:49									#2
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What's the AI response on the Ultra-Deity setting?

	13-05-2004 09:40									#3
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Hmm?

Also, the AI does not build new cities past a certain number. On a large map, one ends up seeing blobs of cities and lots of empty space at the end of the game.

	13-05-2004 23:39									#4
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That's an interesting thought. I have no idea how that patch works, though, and I don't know how the program structure of Civ2 differs from TTD.

But that patch also mentions it's impossible to change the AI... Those limits in Civ2 were numbers in only one or a few places in the executable. Fixing those is first a matter of finding them (which can be difficult if the numbers occur commonly across the file), and then simply changing them to the maximum allowed value... Changing other things requires quite a bit more than just changing a number.

	14-05-2004 00:52									#5
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I agree with Mercator,

I think it'll easier to do a civ2 clone than to repograme it from the binary. But if we get the sources that will be a very different thing

	14-05-2004 02:57									#6
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When will we get the sources?

	14-05-2004 04:09									#7
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Whenever we finally get an effort off the ground to ask for it. It's been discussed many times, but I don't think anybody has ever actually tried to contact anyone.

	15-05-2004 15:10									#8
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I agree with Mercator. It has not been asked. We could try to the effort. It would be nice - after all, Ataris is Microprose right's owner (is it, right?) and Atari released Call of Power source-code IIRC.

	15-05-2004 16:20									#9
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Well, IIRC atari doesn't own CTP rights. Activision does.

	15-05-2004 16:24									#10
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Opssssssss, you're right and I was wrong.

I stand corrected.

	15-05-2004 21:17									#11
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Then lets finally do it!

	15-05-2004 23:21									#12
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I sent a mail to Activision a month back - As yet, no answer!

But I am sure sending more from a growing number of civ users will get the message across!

Everyone should send a mail to get that source code!
We should make it a Poly SL campaign!

The Activision site, within their news or HR dept is the place to try!

Begin bombardment with requests for code!

Let's do it!

	15-05-2004 23:41									#13
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Curt, isn't Atari the owner of Civ2 rights?

Jasev is right about CTP, Activision has the rights, but about Civ2 I believe it's atari who owns the rights of the defunct Microprose.

BTW, I volunteer to be one of the programmers if that thing even come across.

	15-05-2004 23:47									#14
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Post an email address. Also I suggest someone be appointed to keep track of the frequency and type of our friendly bombardment.

	15-05-2004 23:56									#15
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I'll volunteer to do so because I'm so eargely wanting to modify the civ2 source... Progamming is my job, but also, along with Civ2, my hobby. But my CRAP english defers me of doing so.

	16-05-2004 01:40									#16
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Not Activision, but Atari (or Firaxis).

I looked for some contact addresses earlier, see this thread:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=107004

Should we all start e-mailing individually, or is it better to make it a group effort and write one letter with all our names on it? Perhaps also by snailmail or phone?

	16-05-2004 02:27									#17
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Yaroslav, your English is fine. I know a lot of natives that can't speak it to save their lives.

As for emailing individually, I think that can be more like harassment than anything else. Sure the company needs to know that there is a demand for the source, but a concerted petition could be a lot more professional. Remember that Poly was thanked in the credits to one of the Civ games, more for the support of the people on the site rather than just a bunch of individuals.

But who knows, maybe both would work???

	16-05-2004 13:09									#18
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quote: BTW, I volunteer to be one of the programmers if that thing even come across.

Me too
If Civ2 uses C++, I'd like to join the team.

But I'm not optimistic, Atari/Infogrames has a long tradition of not giving anything for free

	16-05-2004 14:33									#19
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Thanks, Harry

I guess it it's Civ2 'cuz of some of the DLLs I saw. But any language would be fine - If I don't know the language I can learn it really quick.

So, I'll look for address. I think that a compromise between the two solutions can be the best thing:

We sent one email, but this email is signed both with Apolyton SLeage and the names of all the petitioners, plus it has the email address of each petitioner in the field CC, so everyone gets a copy and Atari will know it.

Please send me your email address to javiermunozk@eresmas.NOSPAM.com

(without the NOSPAM, of course)

I'll use this week to seek for the best address to ask it.

Let's do it!!!

Last edited by yaroslav on 17-05-2004 at 00:18

	16-05-2004 14:58									#20
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This is the CIV2 spirit!

	16-05-2004 18:03									#21
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav Please send me your email address to javiermuznok@eresmas.NOSPAM.com

You already have my adress, and (no surprise there), I of course want to be part of that: so add me in the petitioners list!

	16-05-2004 20:23									#22
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You misspelled your email address! It's "javiermunozk", no?

	16-05-2004 20:35									#23
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Other games that have had their sources (but not their content) made free are the very successful Doom, Quake, and Duke Nukem 3D.

	16-05-2004 20:59									#24
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I sent you an email, yaroslav!

	17-05-2004 00:20									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator You misspelled your email address! It's "javiermunozk", no?

Yes, you're right :shamed:

PLEASE, SEND ME THE MESSAGES TO THE EDITED ADDRESS. SORRY FOR THE ERROR

	18-05-2004 01:35									#26
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Add me to that pettition as well please, i'm Jack_Barraclough3@hotmail.NOSPAM.com (less the NOSPAM ).

Also i'd love to help with the programming but with my level of programming skill you would be more likley to get the results youre after by dropping a bag of potatoes onto the keyboard from great height!!

	18-05-2004 02:08									#27
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Added, Tar-Plantir.

Merc, Sant Leo, should i open a thread with a list of all the petitioners?

	18-05-2004 02:41									#28
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Count me in! Free the Civ2 code, stupid!

	18-05-2004 03:11									#29
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quote: Merc, Sant Leo, should i open a thread with a list of all the petitioners?

You should, it's easier to sign up that way.

	18-05-2004 05:36									#30
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I'm all for it. Count me as well.