22-05-2004 23:42									#31
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Well, if you don't want Centauri Ecology now,
just refuse the trade and ask for it again later.

Pacts for all
Centeco --> DetriusXii, to send SocPsy to Zeiter.
Centeco --> Zeiter, to start research on Ethical Calculus.
Centeco --> Colonyan, to start research on Industrial Economics.

The only person screwed in all this is DetriusXii,
but I suppose I could 'tithe' him some tech to avoid his 'wrath'
(READ: take pity on the poor -Research faction)

	22-05-2004 23:49									#32
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*ahem* so here's a turn.

Rules are:
Nothing involving a bug/glitch
Anything that doesn't!
Communications enabled from turn 1

Victory by:
Transcend, Conquer, Diplomacy, Economic
Do or Die is on
Bell curve is on
Randomise leader social agendi // personalities is on

Testalossa
0
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Colonyan
1st turn

Last edited by Enigma_Nova on 26-05-2004 at 18:34

	23-05-2004 21:17									#33
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Yeah, I run demo/planned quite often. It just depends though. If I want +4 effic and no slider penalties, then I have to go green. If I want +3 econ, I gotta go FM/wealth. And pop-boom, of course, with demo-planned. The industry bonus is nice too. Actually, my most common SE setting is probably demo/planned/knowledge.

Yeah, I have noticed that tech costs can get screwy if you trade too early. I'd wait until my first research breakthrough.

	24-05-2004 06:12									#34
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I had no idea, honestly.

I thought it would only slow you as much as if you researched the tech yourselves, and since everyone wants CentEco then I figured I'd be saving you time.

Never mind, I won't make this mistake next time.
So what would Zeiter's first tech be?
I'm at:
InfNets // CentEco, researching PlaNets in 3
(Started on a river and pod-popped a monolith. Yay!)

	24-05-2004 06:18									#35
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Er... im playing the first turn. What the trade deal I must do? OK, I just play.

Last edited by Colonyan on 24-05-2004 at 06:34

	24-05-2004 06:37									#36
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Morgan-Colonyan--------Deutrius-Believers

2101-believer's turn To Deuterius

Attachment: t0_2101-believer.sav
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).

	24-05-2004 07:17									#37
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Research Industrial Economics.
When you do that, I get Planetart Networks to you - you research Industrial Automation.

	24-05-2004 07:19									#38
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File could not be opened.
Lack of permission to access file.

Try Zipping it, or e-mailing it to DetriusXii directly.

	24-05-2004 13:21									#39
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I had no problem opening the save game. Anyways, are we playing with Fog of War on or off? This is my first play by email so I don't know if Fog of War is forced on or not.

Last edited by DetriusXii on 26-05-2004 at 19:37

	24-05-2004 14:49									#40
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Fog of war is, of course, on.
Any unit outside your sensor net will not be seen.
There is nothing in the SMAC code to prevent it.

	25-05-2004 04:05									#41
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I think what Detruis meant was, are we playing where the fog of war is shown on the map? I assume we are. Although I usually play without it on the map. But I suppose it would be better for a pbem to play it with it on the map. Less confusing that way.

Enigma_Nova: You are correct in that having cent ecology early would be beneficial, however it may or may not impact tech costs. Perhaps we can deal with cent ecology first, and then wait a bit and initiate the rest of the trading sequence. Of course, this can all be handled in-game if need be. I don't know if I like sharing with everyone my secret plans for world domi- I mean, peace and prosperity, of course! Although coordinating elaborate tech swaps as this is easier in this council-like forum. Here's an idea: Whenever someone wants to adress everyone else at once, or we want to discuss something with everyone, we can also use this thread as a sort of in-game council room.

	25-05-2004 08:00									#42
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Unity survey is on IIRC. Feel free to find a few great nearby base locations.
If you want Fog of War enabled, set your own settings in Preferences. I don't mind all that much.

The tech trade was public, in an attempt to ensure everyone was in on this.
That way, we're pretty sure we can skip the IA beeline (someone else is already on that).

	25-05-2004 18:43									#43
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Another question since I'm new to multiplaying. Did the file send correctly? Zeiter, did the save game work correctly and that you're a peacekeeper?

	25-05-2004 23:19									#44
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Nobody's downloaded it.
END TURN, Save and Exit, post. It sounds simple enough...

	26-05-2004 01:13									#45
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quote: Originally posted by DetriusXii Did the file send correctly? Zeiter, did the save game work correctly and that you're a peacekeeper?

Yes, you did it correctly - (the download is mine - I just checked) When the file gets bigger you might want to zip it - and remember to delete the old upload file once the turn has moved on, to free up 'Poly's server space)

(Sorry to interject where it's none of my business, but I struggled with the whole PBEM concept when I first started playing them)

G.

	26-05-2004 04:37									#46
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Okay, I've played my turn. Turn 2102 has been sent to the university (Enigma_Nova) via e-mail. If it is okay, I personally would rather just do that instead of uploading it and posting it here.

	26-05-2004 11:53									#47
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Got the turn, but unfortunately have dinner.
Turn will be played once I consume food.

	26-05-2004 17:13									#48
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Okay, it seems we need more clarificaion.
DetriusXii has accepted my offer.

Zeiter: Did you get an offer of Social Psych?
If not, then Detrius just screwed me out of a tech - there WILL be payback.

And the rest of you, instead of declining as I suggested, have offered your initial techs in return.
>_<
I've explained this 3 times.
This time I'll do it in boldface.

I give CentEco to Colonyan.
Colonyan researches Industrial Economics.
I give PlaNets to Colonyan.
Colonyan researches Industrial Automation.

I give CentEco to DetriusXii.
DetriusXii gives Social Psych to Zeiter.

I give CentEco to Zeiter.
Zeiter starts research on Ethical Calculus,
but stalls his tech rate to prevent researching it.
I research Planetary Networks.
Zeiter sends me Social Psych.
I research Ethical Calculus.
I give Ethical Calculus to Zeiter.
Zeiter uses accumulated tech to research Gene Splicing.

If you do not want Centauri Ecology right now, Decline the deal (or simply do nothing) and I'll resend with the pact only.
Instead, you've offered me your initial tech, which means that I can't pre-accept the pact and send.
I've lost 2 pacts for a turn. Incompetence!

I don't want Biogenetics or Industrial Base right now.
Please remove them from your trade window, place a Pact in, pre-accept and send to me.

If there are any problems with this, post so.
I think this is pretty dumbed down, but I'd rather be frustrated at your incompetence now than have to suffer its effects later.

------

I have a marked intolerance of errors in a plan,
especially when the fault is in others' lack of understanding the plan.

It could very well be that you've done this to:
A. Annoy me (PsyOps)
B. Slow my tech rate (Junk Techs)
C. Had a better plan
D. Were trying to be nice
But most likely
E. Didn't understand the plan

You don't know me well enough to do A.
You should have accepted CentEco before screwing me with B.
If you had a plan (C.) you would have posted it.
D. would imply you don't know what you're doing, as extra techs slow you down.

So there's definite incompetence here.
Let me make an angry face at you
and play my turn.

	26-05-2004 17:50									#49
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Turn to Colonyan

Attachment: t0_2102mor.zip
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).

	26-05-2004 23:00									#50
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Deuterius-2102

er.It looks like im using different type of file copressor.
I will paste both.

Last edited by Colonyan on 27-05-2004 at 05:44

	26-05-2004 23:03									#51
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tetalossa-0 2102 believer's turn

Last edited by Colonyan on 27-05-2004 at 05:44

	27-05-2004 02:17									#52
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a RAR archive?
Let me get something on screen...
http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm
http://www.winzip.com/downwzeval.htm
Two 'trial' versions of software (so they say), but you can use them as long as so desired.

So are we clear on that?
You delete your tech offering,
offer a pact,
pre-accept and send.

	27-05-2004 04:13									#53
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Ok, so we make pact first right? I will replay the turn.
The 2102-believer's turn will be avaiable around 20:30
of apolyton time.

	27-05-2004 04:45									#54
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To delete a tech from the 'to trade' menu, click on it.
With Industrial base out of the way, you should have Pact (or nothing at all) trading for Pact.
Click -accept-, do turn stuff and end turn.

Later, I'll accept the pending agreement, and there will be much commercage.

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I notice that I get my first tech next turn.
Can either Zeiter or DetriusXii please send me Social Psych now?
(Pre-accepted, of course)

I still owe Colonyan and Zeiter CentEco, so tell me when you want it.

I'll need these pacts up soon, so I can see your tech rates.
I'll make my plans for tech paths based on tech rates, since I'd rather not wait 5 years for a tech to be done.

	27-05-2004 05:51									#55
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to Deutrius

I like how the map looks like

Attachment: t0_2102orange.zip
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

	27-05-2004 06:02									#56
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I wonder who shares a continent with whom.
I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Related to the topic, I've found out that I started next to the Monsoon Jungle.
Super 1337!
My HQ's on a river with a monolith in range, and I've started near the Jungle!

	27-05-2004 06:10									#57
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i got 2 rivers...

Me---Enigma---?---?
whats the turn?

Last edited by Colonyan on 27-05-2004 at 06:21

	27-05-2004 10:29									#58
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Ok, I sent Enigma Social Psych preaccepted.

I sent Zeiter the tech I was supposed to send him and he sent one back to me which I'm unsure why he did so. I accepted the offer.

Last edited by DetriusXii on 28-05-2004 at 18:30

	27-05-2004 18:02									#59
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Thanks, DetriusXii.
I hope Zeiter and Colonyan get their pacts to me.
That way I can see what y'all are doing.

If you have Social Psych, Biogenetics and Centauri Ecology,
I suggest you try for Secrets of the Human brain, then Centauri Empathy.
I could trade IA for a tech like that... ^_^

	28-05-2004 04:43									#60
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turn 2103 has been sent to the university.

Okay, I think this deal will finally work now.