28-05-2004 00:01									#61
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Hi, my name is MENCEY no mercy, no mency

C3C map 362x362
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	29-05-2004 07:18									#62
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Is it possible to have random maps 320x320?

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	29-05-2004 08:37									#63
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Yes, you can select custom map and set the size to any up to 362 x 362 and then select generate map. It takes about 2 minutes though.

	29-05-2004 09:25									#64
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sweet, thanks

	29-05-2004 10:30									#65
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Too bad the game gets bogged down in a hurry. I'd love to be able to play a maxed out epic game. Does anyone know if thats even possible with current hardware?

	29-05-2004 10:51									#66
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250x250 with 24 civs is the largest I ever played to the end. I doubt a larger map would make a great deal of difference.

You have a city limit that will be reached. If you do not have too much water and civs get trimmed down, it should be playable.

Any 3GH system should work.

	29-05-2004 11:07									#67
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I'm trying one thats a arch. with 80% water and 31 civs. I'm in 500AD and its getting bogged down (about 5 minute turns).

	29-05-2004 15:53									#68
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Masochist.

	29-05-2004 20:35									#69
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quote: Originally posted by jamesyao I've seen a world map with 320 x 320 size. It's huge, is it! Well, I just wonder what kind of PC can run this thing, I have an AthlonXP 3200+, 1GB PC3200 box, will it be ok? Has anyone actually tried such big map?

My PC just choked on it

	30-05-2004 08:30									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Masochist.

You have no idea. I also slowed tech to a crawl, increased production, and conquest only victory.

	30-05-2004 11:25									#71
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I just made one with max water on Sid to see how it would go and so far it is not different than any other maps size.

	30-05-2004 11:48									#72
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Are you up to harbours yet?

	30-05-2004 21:44									#73
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I am not, but the AI has map maping and someone cranked out the lighthouse.

Oh the joys of half price builds. It will get worse, but I am only comparing it to other huge games, not std maps.

	31-05-2004 02:26									#74
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Still not much different. Looks like the AI is in the middle ages as I am getting uprisings now. I sure do hate figting barbs with warriors on sid.

Lost two elites to just plain conscripted horsemen. My guys were forted. Lost out on the free tech and the GLIB, so it will not be a lot of fun.

Circumnavigated my island and no one else is there. They would have shown up by now if so anyway. It is a very large island, but on a 320x320 that is what I would expect.

Not sure how much longer I will go at it as there is just too much land to fill. If anyone is near me they will be able to get some as it is more than I can stomach.

All my curraghs sunk and at 2 moves, it is too painful to launch any more. I will have to wait for gallies or visitors, which ever comes fist.

	31-05-2004 02:30									#75
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You see the island seems small, but it is only in reference to the whole map. Ihave 15 cities, not tightly packed either and a number of settlers ready.

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	31-05-2004 05:32									#76
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At 290bc I have 21 cities with several settlers about and the times are 90 seconds.

Leos and Suns and Sistine all build by somebody. They don't half
step at Sid. At least I put dow the uprising and now have swords and horses and spears. Starting to pile up cats for any visitors down the road. I now the Templars was built as well so it will be at least knights and muskets. Given the map, I would not be shock to not see anyone for a long time and face even later units.

This could be fun to play, but it will take weeks to conquer a civ at this level. It will take massive numbers, my hats off to those with the fortifude to tackle it.

	31-05-2004 06:05									#77
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Nice reporting vmx. Do you still have only that island? Which was a small portion of the entire map. Those turn times will skyrocket soon i'm sure.


My main thought is that it would be challenging enough to win on a map of this size and difficulty without having to wait so long between turns.

I suppose that it gives the player much time to formulate strategy, although I sometimes have my best ideas come quickly and when the turn times skyrocket on a map of this size, i find my ideas have become muddled by the time my turn comes back up....maybe I should take notes...

	31-05-2004 07:10									#78
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I suspect I could drop at least 80 cities on that island with no need to make them more than CxxC or wider.

It looks small, butI am only using about 20%. I wish I had taken note of the overall land ownership I had. It was miniscule, that is for sure.

Yes the time will get much worse. I had had the animation for a settler take about 2 full minutes on a 250x250 map with lots of water. Full turns as long as 25 minutes, so I am sure this will get some where in that area.

It has fewer civs, but more land, so it wil get paiful. I could stand that, but I just do not want to manage as many cities as I would have to handle.

I also do not want to stage an invason of several island. It will require at least 100 transports of one flavor or another.
Probably 100 artillary pieces of some types and maybe 10 armies.

If it was just a 160x160 it would be a lot less and be done sooner. By the time I get navigation all will be way down the line in the tech tree, no one will be backward.

I can usually catch at least one civ with just ancient tech at sid, but not in this game. This is in part because I cannot make contact and get any research help.

	31-05-2004 20:48									#79
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 No, but 250 with 24 civs on lots of water will press anything. I ran it last year on a 3GH.

The amount of DDRam is more important than the proc. I play on a 320 x 320 world map with a 2GH with 1Go of Dual Channel DDRam 3200. It works great!

	31-05-2004 22:30									#80
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I don;t see how that matters. I never see civ use more than about 400MB. Running with a gig and nothing else, I have plenty of spare. Mine is Munchkin (sp) ddr 3200 as well and a 10K raptor HD.

It is cpu bound, not memory. The HD is not a factor either. You can prove it by moving it to a slower machine. I moved it to my 1.7gh with only 512 and it took twice as long for a turn and did not use all the memory.

	31-05-2004 23:55									#81
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well I tried an Earth map that was like 360 by 340 or something.

But until I figure out how to get more than 7 civs, I'm not too interested. I just can't see building that many cities. I started as Spain and have expanded to Italy and Greece and into Germany and Northwest Africa.

I'm already bored . And I just left the ancient age.

And if I don't keep expanding, I'll lose. China has unfettered expansion accross all of Asia. The Zulu and Americans are doing very well as well. How can I compete when they are twice as large as me? I just can't bring myself to build that many cities. It's against my nature

the weird thing about that game is the Incas only had one city. The Incas just have a poor starting position. Historically accurate, but not very good. I also had Japan and England. The islands hampered them a bit, but that's fine by me

	01-06-2004 00:08									#82
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What you need to do is to first select world size to huge. Then set the 360 or what you want and other parms.

If you did this and generated the map, you can go to the tool menu and select scenario. From that scenario properties. You will then see the setting for the number of players. Set it to what you want up to the max of 31 (not counting barbs).

There is little point to a map that size if you do not want to manage tons of cities.

	01-06-2004 00:29									#83
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yep, I got it going (see my other thread).

Now for a 362 X 362 Earth map with 32 civs.

Sounds fun

	01-06-2004 01:42									#84
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I'm wondering if it is a viable strategy for such large maps to just build fewer cities that are fartehr apart.

That way, by the time the other civs get to your territory, your culture boundaries would prevent them from colonizing and therefore prevent them from getting too big.

Or is it not possible for you to expand your boundaries fast enough to lock out other civs?

	01-06-2004 03:44									#85
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I have not seriously tried this type of map. I would think the options are to make a normal empire and try to win via UN or Space.

The other choice is to do a conquest run. This would be lots of cities with all but the core CxC or CxxC. They will provide the support for massive troops to smash the other civs.

It will be lots of work either way.

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dude, you're going to hit the "too many cities" limit and all of the time you put in will feel like a huge waste. at least for me. you could also not allow cities to be built in deserts or tundra, but i could never bring myself to do that, and so obviously havent tried it.

stupid hard-coded city limit.
stupid game.
stupid bitterness.

	01-06-2004 12:51									#87
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quote: Originally posted by bobbo008 dude, you're going to hit the "too many cities" limit and all of the time you put in will feel like a huge waste. at least for me. you could also not allow cities to be built in deserts or tundra, but i could never bring myself to do that, and so obviously havent tried it. stupid hard-coded city limit. stupid game. stupid bitterness.

hi ,

at least there is such a thing , imagine 2500 cities under your control , .....

and if one plays the game good , he or she will not hit that limit , and if it happens , just send out some troops for a war or two , .....


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	01-06-2004 13:02									#88
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I'm sorry, I have hitted the game too often to say that 'one will not hit it'.
On a huge map you surely run the risk to have too many cities.

Remember that if the AI has many cities (and with 32 civs that's surely possible) you won't be able to build new cities as well.....!

I'm sure it is a memory limit. I can't imagine why they would've included such a limit for fun.

	01-06-2004 13:24									#89
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy I'm sorry, I have hitted the game too often to say that 'one will not hit it'. On a huge map you surely run the risk to have too many cities. Remember that if the AI has many cities (and with 32 civs that's surely possible) you won't be able to build new cities as well.....! I'm sure it is a memory limit. I can't imagine why they would've included such a limit for fun.

hi ,

so that you would have to go to war if you want to expand , ....





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	01-06-2004 14:00									#90
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quote: Originally posted by bobbo008 dude, you're going to hit the "too many cities" limit and all of the time you put in will feel like a huge waste. at least for me. you could also not allow cities to be built in deserts or tundra, but i could never bring myself to do that, and so obviously havent tried it. stupid hard-coded city limit. stupid game. stupid bitterness.

So what happens when you get too many cities? Does the game crash, or can you keep playing? I'm done building cities, I don't need anymore.

check out my minimap. I'm not sure how many cities that is, but it's alot.

I did manage to lock out the ai, but that was mainly do to starting in asia. And having a few granary cities shell out settlers.