18-05-2004 10:09									#1
	what kind of PC can run 320 x 320 world map? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I've seen a world map with 320 x 320 size. It's huge, is it!

Well, I just wonder what kind of PC can run this thing, I have an AthlonXP 3200+, 1GB PC3200 box, will it be ok? Has anyone actually tried such big map?

	18-05-2004 10:11									#2
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No, but 250 with 24 civs on lots of water will press anything. I ran it last year on a 3GH.

Last edited by vmxa1 on 19-05-2004 at 10:13

	18-05-2004 10:23									#3
	Re: what kind of PC can run 320 x 320 world map? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by jamesyao I've seen a world map with 320 x 320 size. It's huge, is it! Well, I just wonder what kind of PC can run this thing, I have an AthlonXP 3200+, 1GB PC3200 box, will it be ok? Has anyone actually tried such big map?

hi ,

well it should go , give it a try

dont forget to defrag , get all the updates , including the OS , etc , ....

and yes many people have tried it

any troubles ? , just post them

have a nice day

	18-05-2004 10:24									#4
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I have settled into no larger than 250 by 250 until I upgrade my CPU to 3.0, it is 1.8 now with 1 gig of ram and an above average video card. However, I shy away from anywhere near 24 civs.

	18-05-2004 10:24									#5
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Thanks vmxa1, I found a 200 x 200 map is already very stressful on my PC.

	18-05-2004 12:38									#6
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I believe RAM is more important than CPU speed. I have seen 400MB mentioned as what civ actually *need* on a standard map.

Haven't done any testing to see where the line goes though, but my new 1GB machine works fine with huge maps

	18-05-2004 13:21									#7
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what masochist would actually play a map that huge?

	18-05-2004 15:48									#8
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I recently bought a P4 3,2Ghz 1GB
Didn't differ that much from my athlon800
(that is the time I had to wait for the AI, the rest of the game did speed up)

	18-05-2004 16:36									#9
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I play on my p3m 800, 256 mb notebook and have no real problems with a huge map and 31 civs. I almost always play that way, in fact. Turns after Industrialisation take 10-15 minutes, though, without animations. I play at Uni, during class, so I don't really mind having to listen to the teachers between turns ;-)

	18-05-2004 17:30									#10
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larger map size with less civs is what i like... i like the expansion and building part thoguh....

	18-05-2004 19:31									#11
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when i try big maps, it clones my Capitol and puts around the Globe where there is free space.

	18-05-2004 21:33									#12
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Probably not mine (or at least, not fast enough).

	18-05-2004 21:52									#13
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RAM is definately the most important factor. I have a AMD 2.1 ghz with a gig of RAM, which copes well enough with "huge" maps, but I wouldnt like to try it on a 320x320

	19-05-2004 04:41									#14
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Hi kermit,

when you say "when i try big maps, it clones my Capitol and puts around the Globe where there is free space.", what exactly should I do to "clone the Capital"?

	19-05-2004 10:14									#15
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quote: Originally posted by bongo I believe RAM is more important than CPU speed. I have seen 400MB mentioned as what civ actually *need* on a standard map. Haven't done any testing to see where the line goes though, but my new 1GB machine works fine with huge maps

As long as you have at least 512, you are fine. I never saw it push more than about 350MB.

	19-05-2004 10:45									#16
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I run at 3ghz and 512mb of Ram and it runs fine. Of course I only have PTW so I don't get to have as many civs going on my huge maps. At one point I did bring my clock back down to 2.6Ghz and there was a NOTICEABLE difference in the time it took for not just the AI to think, but for the game to re-figure traderoutes everytime I destroyed a road or city.

NOTE: I am not useing a old P4, I am useing the very latest(excluding prescott E-core) , the C-core, with Hyperthreading enabled.

THis game really is processor intensive. Ram-wise it is not, of course its nice to WISH and HOPEFULLY think that way, since Ram is so much easier to upgrade...

If you guys wanted, I could bring this game into the shop and test the **** out of it to trully see. My friend, has his P4 clocked at around 3.6Ghz and is running a gig of ram, and Raid 0 Raptor hardrives. On -that- machine..there is -no- lag.

	19-05-2004 11:35									#17
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quote: Originally posted by bongo I believe RAM is more important than CPU speed. I have seen 400MB mentioned as what civ actually *need* on a standard map. Haven't done any testing to see where the line goes though, but my new 1GB machine works fine with huge maps

hi ,

hit ' alt contr and del ' for windows task manager

have a nice day

	19-05-2004 21:50									#18
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Blademun I have a Raptor drive (10,000 RPM) and Munchkin (sp) mem (1GB) and it is on the same HyperThread cpu that at one time use 7200 drive and I see no impact from either the mem speed or the drive.

It seems all cpu dependant. Moving to my 1.7 GH makes the times twice as long.

	19-05-2004 22:32									#19
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RAM's the cheapest way of speeding things up tho. More RAM = bigger Virtual Drive = less hard disk/cpu effort in putting files into temporary hard disk space.

If moneys no object then yes a fast new CPU (and most probably a new motherboard that can cope with it) is the way to go.

	19-05-2004 23:02									#20
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spy14, you will not get any peformance for CivIII with more mem after 512MB, unless you are running a bunch of other things at the same time.

Players with struggling games, usually shutdown other apps, so it won't do them a bit of good. Watch you graphs and you can see the usage stays under 400MB.

	20-05-2004 00:32									#21
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 spy14, you will not get any peformance for CivIII with more mem after 512MB, unless you are running a bunch of other things at the same time.

I usually will be

Ive had a look at the system usage and see what you are saying, presumably the game was not programmed to recognise more than 512 mb

	20-05-2004 02:16									#22
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250x250 with max civs? I don't want to imagine how slow that would be on my Celeron 2.0GHz 512MB ...

(I have played a Huge map with extra land and 30 civs (TAM) to a domination victory - took 124h)

	20-05-2004 04:53									#23
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Keep the amount of water down (to reduce number harbors) and kill off civs as fast as you can. Those will make a big map with lots of civs a bit easier on the system.

If you play late into the game with most of the civs still around on an archipelago map, it will be the slowest of all.

If you play on Sid or Deity, it will mean more units for the AI, so wars will hurt the speed. Nothing like an AI will 1000 or so units to move to slow it down. Then let them capture a coastal city, ouch. I have timed a settler animation taking over 2 minutes on a 3GH PC in those conditions.

	20-05-2004 10:01									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what masochist would actually play a map that huge?

Me. Wish my rig could handle it.

	20-05-2004 10:10									#25
	Re: what kind of PC can run 320 x 320 world map? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by jamesyao I've seen a world map with 320 x 320 size. It's huge, is it!

I haven't yet. Link?

	20-05-2004 10:17									#26
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http://www.civclub.net/down_view.as...download&id=121

Tested, still works.

Good luck!

	20-05-2004 10:20									#27
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El mercy's map is here and it is about that size.

	20-05-2004 10:24									#28
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Thanks. That didn't work but this did. Took a few minutes to find, my Chinese is a little rusty.

http://www.civclub.net/down_view.asp?id=121

	20-05-2004 10:27									#29
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 El mercy's map is here and it is about that size.

Thanks. The credits on the Chinese site attributed it to El mercy.

	20-05-2004 10:28									#30
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if above link has problem, try this:

www.pacen.com.au/c3c/world320x320.rar