21-05-2004 01:02									#1
	Probable Feudal DG: Nominations for Positions Got spare money?

With only a few days left until the end of the decision poll on whether we have a Feudal or normal Single Player Democracy Game, the trend towards an outcome (although not set) is clear. The Feudal option seems to be winning.

Thus, to keep the ball rolling, we need people interested in organising the game and then acting as the President/Turnplayer and as Feudal Lords (and any other positions).

Let's hear it - are you interested in pushing this concept towards a fully functioning game?

	21-05-2004 01:33									#2
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I nominate GF to be a serf.

	21-05-2004 02:42									#3
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 I nominate GF to be a serf.

I accept.

* GhengisFarb grabs a stick and starts herding the scrawny chickens........


These are the only people who said they would sign up if it was a Feudal DemoGame. Didn't add those who didn't specify as they may or may not be interested in the Feudal version.

If you DO want to be involved speak up and join and we will add your name to the list. We NEED to know how many want to be involved to determine when it starts (as we have to have enough tiles for everyone).

Feudal Sign Up
) GhengisFarb
2) conmcb25
3) Uber KruX
4) Octavian X
5) Esoteric
6) ZargonX
7) Aidun
8) UnOrthOdOx
9) Zone
10) TORARADICAL
11) GDatyaro
12) Tarquinius
13) Nuclear Master
14) Aeson
15) Jonny
16) Shogun Gunner

	21-05-2004 03:07									#4
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I guess you can sign me up, but I don't know how active I will be.

	21-05-2004 03:22									#5
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I'll play. Though I really wanted to be the serf.

	21-05-2004 03:26									#6
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I think there are lots of Serf positions.

	21-05-2004 03:34									#7
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Serfing sounds cool

if Feudal gets up, I will play

	21-05-2004 03:35									#8
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Serf's up, Dude!

	21-05-2004 03:44									#9
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* Paddy the Scot pours Ghengis a long cold beer

well said mate

	21-05-2004 04:03									#10
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I wanna be a Lord with my own little fiefdom, and no kingship for me. I dont want to have to kiss all the Lords arses. No way.

	21-05-2004 04:05									#11
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Well we need a Despot(President), and Chief Minion (Vice President) to play the game and get us up to where we auction off tiles though.

	21-05-2004 04:40									#12
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I would be a president/VP if I could, but my time is still a little too limited for that...

You can put my name on the list, BTW.

	21-05-2004 16:01									#13
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Well we need a Despot(President), and Chief Minion (Vice President) to play the game and get us up to where we auction off tiles though.

Must the Despot do anything Feudal - y?

	21-05-2004 16:55									#14
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I'll play, but don't expect too activity on my part.

I'll be a serf, if thats OK with you lot

	21-05-2004 17:03									#15
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I'll either need some assistance, paid of course, or to be a serf until I get this whole moving thing taken care of.

And, after vacation, I could be a turn player.

	21-05-2004 17:43									#16
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UnO if pay is an issue, come to the Odin Rune Tavern, Paddy will set you up with some free beers.

After all this is a feudal game, we have a "barter economy"

	21-05-2004 23:16									#17
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Seriously, most everyone will need some support so we can all screw up and learn together.

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 22-05-2004 at 00:16

	21-05-2004 23:21									#18
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Could you please re-write that sentence so that it is understandable. Please?

Edit: Thank you

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	22-05-2004 01:08									#19
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Sign me up for landlord. I don't know if I'll be able to cope with a system as demanding as the $ minigame, but I shall try to expand my land and wield as much political power as possible

MWIA
I think you should be our despot. At least until we have enough tiles for the auction (apparently, 32 tiles, i.e 3 to 4 towns), you'll rule as in a normal DG.

I don't think it is required to be a landlord to have one of the "meta" positions of the game, such as presidency, and any position the prez wants to create to submanage his duties (such as science, taxation, and maybe unit moves). Actually, I think a person without any land would be a more agreeable choice as an arbiter between struggles of competing landlords.

	22-05-2004 02:06									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I don't think it is required to be a landlord to have one of the "meta" positions of the game, such as presidency, and any position the prez wants to create to submanage his duties (such as science, taxation, and maybe unit moves).

Actually there are any land ownership requirements for any position in the game except land owner. But the President doesn't have any authority over science or unit moves. He plays the game and can levy taxes I suppose.

(On the Feudal Team we formed an Alchemists Guild that controlled all Science issues.)

quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Actually, I think a person without any land would be a more agreeable choice as an arbiter between struggles of competing landlords.

That sounds fair but I would be willing to manage government held land tiles and their valuations until someone else feels comfortable with it.

	22-05-2004 03:03									#21
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Ghengis, what positions are there actually in this game. So far I've seen Serf, landlord and fiefdom owning lord. Are there also knight and perhaps mercenaries?

Aidun

	22-05-2004 04:42									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Aidun Ghengis, what positions are there actually in this game. So far I've seen Serf, landlord and fiefdom owning lord. Are there also knight and perhaps mercenaries? Aidun

There isn't a "Serf" position, that's just an ongoing joke.

The plan is to have a Despot (President) and Chief Minion (Vice President) play the game (same as normal) until we have enough tiles equal to 110% of the team members (ie, if we have 20 signed up we would need 22 tiles) so that everyone has a choice on which tile they start out with. I would assume the rest of us could input suggestions and advice as we play up to that point.

Spiffor suggested we each choose a tile, possibly based on sign up order.

The old way was to auction off the tiles. You would then owe the government the amount you bid and would have to pay it back from your earnings.

When we get to where we have enough tiles we would need an Auctioneer or someone to track who claims which tile (I would be willing to do it since I did several in the $MiniGame).

After the first tile assignment we will need Market Makers to run the production/trading/selling thread where we generate our income (I would be willing to do this to since I am familiar with what it entails).

At this point each city would have a Mayor elected by the owners of the tiles in its radius. Each tile gets one vote for a city's Mayor election. The Mayor would be in charge of that city's production. I would suspect the Mayor would get a cut of whatever units the city produces and auctions off.

General rules were that you couldn't bid/purchase more tiles until you had paid the government in full for the one you had borrowed money for.

I don't want to suggest too many rules because a lot of this is stuff that is kind of fun to work out as we go along. Like the Alchemists Guild we created in the Feudal Team to control science issues. Sort of like in real life civilization had to make up ways to deal with newly evolving issues.

Anyway at the point we get tiles everyone is free (and somewhat expected) to do whatever is in their best interest, trying to make deals to get their tiles improved, voting for others they think will best improve their position, etc.

	22-05-2004 05:41									#23
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This is going to be a great SPDG!

	22-05-2004 05:50									#24
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I demand we make a new list to see because I don't want to have a bad tile

	23-05-2004 19:12									#25
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So far the only person nominated for anything is MWIA for Despot, and he hasn't accepted the nomination.

This is the only thing left to get started, so I nominate conmcb25, UnOrthOdOx, and Donegeal for Despot/Chief Minions slots (whichever ones they want)

	23-05-2004 19:52									#26
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Thanks for the nod GF, but I must regretfully turn down the nomination. As it is, I will only be watching this game.

	24-05-2004 18:09									#27
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I must be crazy....

I accept the nomination. I hope to get up to scratch sometime this week with all the Feudal rules stuff, thus allowing anyone else to put their hands up too. If I become Despot I will CERTAINLY need a Vizier - I will have temporary periods (hopefully no more than a day or two at a time) of little or no Net access - for example the 7th and 8th of June when I am in Sydney yet again.

	24-05-2004 18:24									#28
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If you wish, I can be the Vizier until we have enough territory for the feudalism to begin

	24-05-2004 22:38									#29
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Does any of the positions give any advantages for the game?

	24-05-2004 23:55									#30
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Bah!

Give me 3 weeks and I could accept a position provided there is a backup for a known week absence after that.