23-05-2004 22:40									#1
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So now, with Laz taking a dump on the sand castle, what should we do about our roleplaying?

-My proposal: Ignore all that thing has ever happened.

	23-05-2004 22:46									#2
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Posted simultaneously in the ooc thread:

quote: Originally posted by joncha So how do we want to go from here? If Lazerus doesn't want to keep playing, I say we continue without him, and let Frankychan roleplay the Hive forces in Azan. Alternatively, we can infer a pull-out of Hive forces from Azan (which would probably force a peace settlement). A third option might be to find another nation to replace the Hive in supporting FCL. Maybe Auldoninna can switch sides again! Even if we decide to end the roleplay on Azan, I think we should find a way to wrap events up in a plausible way in character.

	23-05-2004 22:58									#3
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Any nation wants to jump in?

Al Mastif, perhaps, but they're, like, on the other side of the planet.

	23-05-2004 23:07									#4
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The Arch-Capitalist is closer, and also run by Squebly... but the seem more like arms dealers than soldiers.

I prefer option 1, personally. If only for continuity sake.

	24-05-2004 03:38									#5
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(Squebly?)

Al Mastif isn't that crazy!
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to fly a sufficient amount of assault troops over to FCL from the edge of the known freakin' region?

The Arch-Capitalist isn't quite big enough yet, and they probably wouldn't take on the rest of the region even if they were defending their own territory.

Go with #1.

	24-05-2004 03:44									#6
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(Sorry, Squebly-webly. It won't happen again. )

Ultimately, I'd say how we handle this is up to Frankychan.

	24-05-2004 03:52									#7
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Oh crap! "Squebly"? Friggin' hilarious. ROFL.

Anyway, I guess what we can do is infer a massive Hive withdraw from Azan. I think with the entire west coast flank wide open, that would force FCL into a peace agreement.


This sounds like the most logical thing that would happen.

	24-05-2004 04:18									#8
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Damn , was just so in the mood for a lovely long war !!!

Well I glad tha twrapped up. now who going to inspire us for the next postathon !!!!!!

	24-05-2004 04:50									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Oh crap! "Squebly"? Friggin' hilarious. ROFL. Anyway, I guess what we can do is infer a massive Hive withdraw from Azan. I think with the entire west coast flank wide open, that would force FCL into a peace agreement. This sounds like the most logical thing that would happen.

I actually thought it might be more entertaining if you were to post for the Hive forces, or some such thing . . . but whatever you think is best.

	24-05-2004 05:35									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin Damn , was just so in the mood for a lovely long war !!! Well I glad tha twrapped up. now who going to inspire us for the next postathon !!!!!!

Western Apolyton, it seems.

	24-05-2004 05:44									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Oh crap! "Squebly"? Friggin' hilarious. ROFL. Anyway, I guess what we can do is infer a massive Hive withdraw from Azan. I think with the entire west coast flank wide open, that would force FCL into a peace agreement. This sounds like the most logical thing that would happen.

Maybe we need to g oback to wha ti suggested much earlier.

We now have two Azans registered at Nationstates, perhpas we need to roleplay the two nations, one under FCL and the other undr Azazel. Perhaps the Azan under Frankchan may get the west coast now vactaed by the hive, and maybe they would get support of a rogue nation who thought that they were the true Azan .

Azazel could then role paly the eastern side ...


i dont know jsut suggesitons,,,,

	24-05-2004 06:03									#12
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Look, FCL is completely fuc3d!
There is no way that they are going to be able to stand up to the combined forces of the 'goodies', and I'm sure as hell not going to lift a finger to help them.
I really don't think that it's going to be much fun RPing the rest of the walk-over.

Oh, and I think Laz's pussying-out was mostly due to Rasputin.
Bad Raspie! Don't do it again!

	24-05-2004 07:12									#13
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what did i do ????? i didnt nuke him or anyting.... not my fault he dont like EVER taking a loss!!!!!!! Ia tleast acknolweded a Flagship lost, Heavey loses in bombing raids, Many tanks lost in armour engagements, Acknowledged his X Bomb, i mean what more does he want !!!

	24-05-2004 11:32									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Squeblish Nef? Oh, and I think Laz's pussying-out was mostly due to Rasputin.

Well, there was also the part where Azazel and I were calling him a god-modder and a jerk.

	24-05-2004 12:21									#15
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Well, I still support Lazerus. Unfortunately, with his seemingly withdrawal from NationStates, I'm at a loss.

I mean, I technically could take over the Hive troops in Azan (Laz said that they are under FCL command). But I don't think I can keep up with all the posters. There is Squeblish, Mr. President, Joncha, Urban Ranger, Rasputin, General Tacticus, Guardian, Ceroo, and Azazel. And then there is me. That's a 9:1 ratio, posting-wise and I don't think I can keep up with that. I mean, if you guys want to keep this up, I'll sure as hell try because I don't want to give up....fudge that! I think it would be a heck of a lot more fun if we hashed things out in Azan....but, whatever works for you guys.

I'll leave this up to you 9, but I'm willing to try this if you guys are willing to be patient with my posts.

	24-05-2004 12:46									#16
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I'd say we declare the Hive home nation to no longer exist, but leave their troops in Azan, under Frankychan's control - this would leave the troops themselves behind, but with no reinforcements or anything. Of course, Franky would be best advised to make peace in any case, but this way would give him a bit more of an edge against everybody who's deployed troops to Azan.

	24-05-2004 12:47									#17
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I think it's doable if we stick to strict turns... and certain posters don't get antsy waiting for their turn to come around again.

So... you take your time posting what you want FCL/Hive forces to do, and nobody else posts jack in character (ooc questions/debate/etc in the other thread would be ok) until you put up some [END TURN] tags at the end of one of your posts.

Then the other side posts their all their responses and reactions. Once the last one posts their [END TURN] (or after a set time period), you post again.

Sorry if it's a little too structured, but I think it's the only way we can make this work.

	24-05-2004 12:51									#18
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turns... nice...

	24-05-2004 12:54									#20
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Sounds good to me, as long as everybody is actually able to keep up (a lot of the delays and complaints from Rasputin were due to Lazerus being off studying, after all...).

	24-05-2004 12:58									#21
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I should be able to keep up. I might have to throw a couple of my exams to do it, but I'll manage.

	24-05-2004 13:03									#22
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How about a turn limit? Is 24hrs enough for each side?

	24-05-2004 13:04									#23
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Daaaamn, you still got finals to do? I feel your pain.

This proposal sounds good to me.

Just have to wait for the rest of 'em to throw their thoughts into it.

	24-05-2004 13:13									#24
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Im just a newbie and all here, but let me play devils advocate here a bit. Is there some reason that the war is being played out 10 nations to 2? It seems to me that 5-5/6-6 might be a better idea all around.

Most of the big european wars of the last 400 odd years, sides seemed to get chosen less for any political reality and more to ensure the continued balance of power. Countries were less afraid of being on an unpopular moralistic side of things and more afraid of letting any one nation get too powerful.

In the last half-century we've may have seen more of the Falkland Is / Iraq situations. Those kind of actions may make more socio-political sense in the modern world, but from a roleplaying position they really arent going to be as much fun as a more even struggle might be.

	24-05-2004 13:16									#25
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quote: Is there some reason that the war is being played out 10 nations to 2? It seems to me that 5-5/6-6 might be a better idea all around.

The reason is that, given the nature of most of the nations here, nobody could ICly justify taking FCL's side.

Besides, until Lazerus decided to have a temper tantrum, he was the most powerful military power in the region, and it would have required all the forces available to us to beat him.

	24-05-2004 13:25									#26
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus The reason is that, given the nature of most of the nations ehre, nobody could ICly justify taking FCL's side. Besides, until Lazerus decided to have a temper tantrum, he was the most powerful military power in the region, and it would have required all the forces available to us to beat him.

Heh, it seems to me that given a few minutes to think of something you could justify action on the side of this FCL.

The second reason sounds like the important one. It was 10-2 because it was going to take the ten of you to give the two a run for thier money. So my question becomes, why have such disparate military strengths? It seems counter productive as wars will almost always have to be 10-2?

	24-05-2004 13:26									#27
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GeneralTacticus is correct. Events that played out were like this....Frankychanland invaded Azan, Guardinia and Ceroo were the first to respond. The Hive, gracious in its wisdom, allied with Frankychanland along with Auldonina. Auldonina realized the intentions of Frankychanland (FCL) and instead attacked the Hive and FCL. Other nations realized on what was going on and they, too, sent forces to Azan.

The Hive will always be an ally to Frankychanland!

(but yeah, with the Hive's withdrawal of the region, things are definitely not looking too good for FCL. But we will triumpth! )

	24-05-2004 13:29									#28
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Unfortunately, the disparate military strengths were based on the fact that the Hive was always rated as having the largest arms manufacturing sector, &c.

For the record, I might have been tempted to take Frankychan's side, 'cause he's just an all-round nice guy. But then I joined the League of Armed Neutrality, and Centralis and Noosland which are neighbors and past allies of Karakas jumped in against him, and then it would have been awkward to find a reason and a way in . . .

	24-05-2004 13:31									#29
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xiaodave sounds like a reasonable person! From what was discussed, the Hive had the largest military in the region. But with a bunch of nations acting together, it became an even match. Basically, Frankychanland has a smaller military than the Hive, but together our forces are huge....

One on One, we would be ok....not the largest nor the smallest military.

	24-05-2004 13:39									#30
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The League had intended to stay out of things (honest!), but after Frankychan decided to annex Azan outright we put what was left of Azan under League protection (basically one city). Then Azazel showed up and noticed we were fighting over his old country, and took over the roleplay for it...

We should write a history of the conflict when the roleplay wraps up! It can be put in a topped "Regional History" thread so new players don't have to dig through the forum to get all the background details.